I've never owned a TM gun with the intension to keep it more than a couple days. And I mean literally that, days. They feel like toys but cost as much as something that feels like a real gun. They arn't as powerful and are equally reliable.

If getting TM guns is really icing on cake then why in the hell worship them so much for not giving a shit about anyone but the Japanese. CA, believe it or not, actually does listen to customer feedback and actually acknowledges that they're products are just about everywhere smart enough to get them worldwide. A cheap yet better product for the same price or little more plus customer focus, unbelievable, believe it. That's what I look for when spending mon dough.

Say what? arn't as powerful? as what? CA and TM guns run the same FPS really.

I've owned a TM. My first gun as was recommended as a starter.
I had a G36c. I LOVED that AEG. I never had a problem with it for the two years that I owned it.
It was always reliable, always fired and was a solid gun despite the plastic construction.
I recently purchased a G&P M4A1, so far so good. Nice weight as it is full metal. Hasn't been out to a game yet, so I'm hoping for the best.
Though I've heard many a mixed review on the G&P M4A1...
Not too sure what to believe at this point.
But in all I like it. But I must stick by TM as for the price point for a beginner, it was an awesome deal and an amazing package buck for buck!
:cheers:

That's only because it's what you tried first. Give a starving child a TV dinner and it'll be on par with some crazy all out ultimate lobster feast to me.

The thing that get's me is that whne TM fucks up, noone goes apeshit but if CA fucks up, they deserve an entire bashing thread which is by far incorrect.

I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your full metal G&P M4 knowing you saved hundreds of dollars. Sure some of them were fucked out of the box but that's the same with every gun except mabey those Systema PTW dealies. TM guns come as lemons as well. If I ever get a TM lemon (and that's if someone was holding a gun to my head to make me buy a new TM) I'd go all out and make my own bashing thread, though it wouldn't last but meh.

Anyways, TM does a good job making money and satisfying their Japanese customs, I'm going to be a good customer and save my money and buy something worth my while.

Sorry to ramble, peoples passions run high for these sort of things.

Depends on the gun and whose numbers you believe. CA advertises 85-95 m/s which is a large variance, and it depends on the parts used and who was assembling it that day. Like any mass production item there will be some better than others. My M15A4 Tac Carbine shoots around the 310 fps mark, my MP5 shot around 290, the CA249 MkII at 315, and the SAR M41FS at 320. They're all fairly consistent in stock form. I recently installed a Systema tightbore, CA bearing spring guide, and a Prometheus MS100 in the MP5 and it's almost always exactly 320 fps.

Stock TM seems to be around 260-280 fps which is a good deal slower than a stock CA. The difference is negligible in some cases although having the extra oomph is certainly preferable. The only exception to this I think is the M14 which people boast is around 300 fps stock. I will admit that thing is crazy accurate and seemingly gets excellent range. I have an unconfirmed suspicion that TM ships it with a tightbore.

Sorry but CA gun are 40-50fps more than TM out of the box

Ok so I can see that this is turnng into a Copy Army VS TM pissing contest so I'm closing this thread and it's now pointless.

Each have their own favorites for different reasons and lets leave it at that.