I think the general sentiment from the previous pages is that if you look after them well (lube and sweet caresses), WE open bolt guns are about as good as any others out there. Even if you do have problems, gas guns seem to have less voodoo involved in fixing them.

Unless one can't afford it, (seems) everyone with an AEG brings a spare gun to games. Balance that with every game I go to I see guys with gas guns with some minor problems. Unfortunately when everything is made in China/Taiwan to the lowest of tolerances, this stuff is just going to break.

Personally I am slowly trying to make the move to gas. I appreciate the simpler design and takedown. Multiply that appreciation by 10 when you include the visceral experience of effective recoil and sound that makes GBBRs not sound like toys.

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Fox.

That's a very good post.
It's true that in the past GBBR's were pretty much wall hangers, but nowadays I think they've reached a point were they are precise enough to be skirmisheable and can hold their own against AEG's. And as you mentioend, the takedown and realism while gaming just can't be beat by any AEG.

Someone else mentioned the KWA MP7, great gun in my experience too (I've seen it shoot consistently as far as 50 metres - - it's a submachinegun!). It's a shame it uses specific buckings and inner barrels, but it doesn't really need the upgrade anyway.


Fox.

Are among the best out there XP

PLaying with GBBR at CQB is both a blast and scarely. The sound of the gun will keep people back.

So i've narrowed it down to either WE M14 or the PDW long barrel version. I'm leaning more towards the m14 because I feel like it would perform better outdoors compared to the pdw. Anyone have experience with the pdw outdoors?

had the closed bolt long but now converted to the open bolt short

Other than a correctable hook at 150-200ft, I have no problems with it outdoors. It's one of few guns that doesn't crap out on me. Been using .25's but you can see better results with .28's. I find .3's a bit heavy for the short OB system.

My only issue is the damn bolt release pin. Lost it again!

So.. I just ordered the ob long version pdw with 8 mags. Can't wait to test it out.

According to Taiwan website, WE products have good price but the pot metal they use is of a lower grade, which often leads to quick replacement of parts that are taking stress.

Not sure if this is still true for the more recent production. Would appreciate owners of the more recent produced WE GBBR share some of their experience here. Personally I prefer GBBR with reasonable out of the box lifespan before change of any parts.

I love my WE, currently replaced the internals, nothing but pure awesomeness.

I have a WE CQBR with ratech internals and a pdw gen2. I love them both. No problems with the metal internals. The nozzles are giving me issues though. The oring at the back of the nozzle seems to dry out really quickly, causing seized nozzle and/or shattered nozzles. Anyone else having this problem? Maybe I'm not putting enough oil in my mags - usually 2 drops in the tank to fill 8 mags.

Why don't you put oil directly on the O-ring? Do it when you clean it after use.

If your nozzle o-ring is dried out and seizing...then you need more oil.

Worth checking though....
- take the nozzle out of the bolt and see that the inside of the bolt is clean/smooth/etc...
---modding mags and then blowing gunk out of them through your gun is a good way to accumulate a thin layer of silicone/gasket stuff...that will add drag to your system aggravating things
---any dirt/dust/junk that is on your mags when you shove into your gun will end up in the bolt.
---good time to check that the nozzles o-ring is good...and that the piston head ports are free and clear.

So it seems WE GBBR has improved. How about their magazines, in particular the M4 ones for open bolt system ?

They have new mags that are sealed differently. They are supposed to be super.