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Matt 'Maverick' Watts February 27th, 2014 18:25
full auto is determined by the response trigger, yes. With an inline blowback poppit sytem, a response trigger is the easisest way to modulate rate of fire as it utilizes the excess air to cycle the trigger.. and yes, tuned right and it will shoot stupid fast... not 78 bps unicorn shooting fast, but fast..

and yes, this is an open blowback system.

Matt 'Maverick' Watts February 27th, 2014 18:27
I am trying to get at least one for TAC14, but I have no idea if that will be able to happen or not. I will hopefully know more next week once all the Tippmann staff are home from Paintball Extravaganza.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:29
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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1872124)
so not a true mechanical full auto then?

With those not familiar with the term, in paintball, a response trigger is basically a trigger that pushes back after you press down on it, forcing a trigger reset. So if u keep your finger pressed down, the trigger will just keep moving back n forth. If tuned right, it can be very fast.
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It works a little differently than a normal response trigger. Just pull and you go full auto, no "feel" required like a conventional RT.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:32
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Originally Posted by -=ArchAngel=- (Post 1871974)

does that look like some sorta modular rail system?
It comes with 4 short and 4 long rails. Three short segments, equal one long rail. Each of the 8 sides has three location positions.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:35
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Originally Posted by Aj619 (Post 1871979)
So in all honesty it will probably be much smaller with less kick as it takes much less air and pressure to move a BB than a paintball.
It is comparable to the WE M4 and the KWA LM4. The rear bolt weighs about twice as much as a 98 rear bolt.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:37
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Originally Posted by Thenooblord (Post 1872052)
Does this fire from an open bolt I take it? as in the bolt starts at the back and slings forward when the trigger is pulled?
Yes, open bolt.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:40
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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1872048)
Without understanding the internal mechanism, there are a few ways I can think of to potentially adjust the ROF of a gas gun without altering the muzzle energy. It's just a matter of controlling air flow and bolt return.
Once you see one you will understand it instantly. The ROF adjustment is a flow control to the response trigger piston. The piston actuates a rear trigger independent of the front trigger that is visible. Decrease the flow and the rear trigger slows down, increase flow it speeds up.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 20:45
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Originally Posted by Ricochet (Post 1871519)
They said the hop-up is proprietary, don't know about buckings, but it takes AEG cut barrels.
The buckings are industry standard.

SuperCriollo February 27th, 2014 21:24
How is gas efficiency compared to a normal paintball gun? I assume it would be better by comparing how many shots you get out of a C02 capsule, compared to a TPX for instance.
However, a rough estimate on how many shots you can get out of a 68cu 4500psi would be great to help us illustrate just how efficient is it.

Wrath144 February 27th, 2014 21:27
Need someone to do cold weather testing? :D

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 21:45
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Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1872182)
How is gas efficiency compared to a normal paintball gun? I assume it would be better by comparing how many shots you get out of a C02 capsule, compared to a TPX for instance.
However, a rough estimate on how many shots you can get out of a 68cu 4500psi would be great to help us illustrate just how efficient is it.
About 4,000 on a 68 cubic inch at 4500 psi. I'll run it tomorrow for a real number.

The TPX is roughly 20 shots on a 12g, above 260 f.p.s., meaning with an average velocity of 280 and shot 20 above 260, at 1/sec. There are many factors that can change this number. The M4 is 80 shots at 1/sec., again with many factors. The M4 is a 98 style valve, as you know, much different from the TPX.

R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 21:45
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Originally Posted by Wrath144 (Post 1872183)
Need someone to do cold weather testing? :D
Plenty cold in Indiana.

Aj619 February 27th, 2014 23:24
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Originally Posted by R&D Engineer (Post 1872169)
Once you see one you will understand it instantly. The ROF adjustment is a flow control to the response trigger piston. The piston actuates a rear trigger independent of the front trigger that is visible. Decrease the flow and the rear trigger slows down, increase flow it speeds up.
Are we even sure it doesn't just use a clapper solinoid to trigger the sear. Alot of low end paintball guns use it to lighten the trigger while keeping mechanical

It's also cheaper than a response trigger and somewhat more reliable

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R&D Engineer February 27th, 2014 23:46
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Originally Posted by Aj619 (Post 1872213)
Are we even sure it doesn't just use a clapper solinoid to trigger the sear.
We can be pretty sure, hard to run a solenoid without electricity.

Aj619 February 28th, 2014 00:04
True I just don't like the response trigger seen to many problems with them I perfer th clapper or just straight mech

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