Ah okay! I didn't know what they looked like!

I thought they had a pointed end lol

I think the biggest issue here is how to get these to feed into a gun properly

They will require a complete new gun desing IMO.

A one shot BA rifle, or a super custom, mag fed BA.

I'd go with a sigle load one shot BA. Like the big .50 cal the Navy Seals used to have.

Hmmmm....I wouldn't say that I camp (let the enemy come to me), but rather take some out at long range (375 feet plus), then let them look for me (if they have a clue). Fall back, flank, reinsert, collect some more kills, repeat.

What you are describing is what I do during scrims, sharp shooting (ie, a designated marksman's role), where I tend to be fall back to a safe MED then get as many "one shot - one kill"s as possible before having to draw my pistol.

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how fast does your gun have to go in order to snipe at 375 feet?

That all depends on the weight of BB being used. ** note; we set our limits to 400 fps using 0.20 weight BBs for AEGs, 450 fps using 0.20 for BAs, and sometimes 500 fps using 0.20 for experienced (senior) BA operators. I have gotten consistant kills at 375 feet using a 500 fps (chronied with 0.20s) BA using 0.30 weight BBs.

Hope this chart is helpful;

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375 feet?

that's 113 metres man, does the BB even fly that far? I mean holy shit

I've said it before - anyone with a Tanaka gas boltie will love these as single loaded rounds. The ability to open the bolt and place an AP directly into the chamber means no need for redesigned mags (you just have to squeeze it through the feed lips).

Also, if you release a VSR kit first, Tanaka users also get the benefit of the VSR hop kit.

hop kit = hop up? If so what is the point of hop upvon a BJ that doesn't spin end over end?

Preciously, these rounds would need something more like the Tanio-Kobia twist inner barrel to get a rolling spin rather than a back spin.


I'm slowly loosing the interest in this whole idea because it simply has too many factors against it.

One. A pointed round is going to penitrate deeper into its target, this will mean increased MED's so that people don't have a "sniper bullet" sticking out their skin.

Two. Magazines will have to be redesigned, adding to cost of the set up.

Three. Hop ups will have to be turned off so not to create back spin.

Four. Some sort of rifling in the barrel would be needed to create the right spin to the round for it to fly straight. Go try throwing a foot ball with a back spin and see how far it goes.

Five. Could possibly create another huge muck at the Chrony, already sniper rifles have some issue being "controlled" because of the allowances to higher FPS. Add in that this is a new round that operates on different principals and designs that could really add to trouble finding the rifle FPS limits for different fields and so on.

Six. Why do we need an AP round? What happens when many of you buy into it and then the AP round flops and no one makes it anymore? You're stuck with mags and what ever rounds you have left :P. The BB industry has already cut its niche in the market.

Oh but you mentioned about so many stuff that was discussed hehe

Kits will come with a rifled barrel, made by us.

Rounds aren't pointed, you can see them here.


Designing isn't a real problem since this is my job, the original magazines for vsr-10 was about 20$, our magazines won't be too over that.

Again, our barrels won't have a hop-up, instead their end will be shaped like a hop-up since hop-ups prevent the barrel from wobbling inside the hop-up mechanism (which will be only used to hold the barrel in it's old place).


It's not the FPS that gets limited, it's the energy levels, with a really small calculation, the limit for a 0.4g bullet can be set, without needing to fire a 0.2g bullet. Sure the bullet's design effects the damage on the target, but teflon is a soft plastic (much much softer than the regular BBs) so it will defom on impact, this won't mean anything on your skin though, it will hurt the same, but goggles will be safe. So as long as the energy output of the barrel is controlled, you should be okay.

The hop up isn't the important bit to have. The important thing is that the hop up kit allows a VSR INNER BARREL to be mounted in a Tanaka.

Rifled VSR barrel in a Tanaka, more precisely. No mag mods needed :)

This whole thing is sounding really cool and is making me not want to sell me UTG L96.

Maybe I can get a mod kit for that later on down the road (a lot of people have WELL and UTG L96's) and shoot those things after some tinkering with the barrel and hop up unit.

Maybe something like a same sized barrel with a small slot that will fall in the right position... idk.

Either way, the UTG shoots 450 so this should mean some high distances and increased accuracy with a threaded tightbore designed for this ammunition. I would go nuts if I can hit someone 300 or 350 ft away. :DD

Apparently the Firearms Act/ Department of Justice Canada didn't care. They treated the .43 paintball mag as thought it held real ammunition.

Better safe than sorry?