Whats a good sniper? with good UG's?
 

Hey guys I'm sarge, I'm new on these forums.

Anyways I'm a sniper for my team ODIN.
I've been using a basic see through Airsoft rifle. the little cheap kinds, now I'm looking for a bit of a punch.
I'm looking for a good Sniper Rifle, With decent upgrades. I've been debating if i should go with a VSR but then the L96 competes with it... my friends say the SVD has decent FPS, and little UG's. But from there experiences with other players the L96 is common in today's field.. I want something MORE! ;)

So im gonna need help from fellow Snipers. This is after all my first real airsoft gun! I need to take my time on it, as it requires a lot of Money :D

Thanks!
-sarge

If this is your first real Airsoft sniper rifle, id recomend a TM VSR. Ive never owned one myself, but i have used them in the past and have heard good things about them. Their a good gun for a beginner as they have a nice ease of use. They have a good potential for upgrades (search the forums).

For your first sniper rifle, forget the term "Go big or go home". Start with something simple.

The Real Sword SVD is a really good sniper platform. Although it would cost you quite a bit.

I run a fully upgraded PDI based L96. I've got the chance to try out an upgraded vsr 10 and I wasn't as impressed with it in comparison to mine. I think the benefit of the vsr 10 is the weight difference and size difference between my gun.

I recently saw a person show up to a game with a svd. Not upgraded at all, but the overall look and bolt action sound was just pure sexy.

It really comes down to personal preference and how much upgrades exist to get the rifle where you want it to be. I say go to a game where someone will be using one in a game and watch them use it in the game.

how much you looking to spend? you may be better off building a DMR platform from an AEG. get age verified. there are lots of stuff like that in the classifieds.

Real Sword SVD would be the best option IMHO just because it will be ready to use out of the box for your needs and they are very high performing

*EDIT
They are just really expensive so just be ready to drop some serious dough

From what I understand, this is probably going to be your first real investment in airsoft.

While the RS SVD is a great gun, its quite expensive, and i'm sure you're under the illusion that a 'sniper rifle' will be accurate out of the box, and require few upgrades... Normally, thats simply not the case.

The RS SVD is an AEG, but a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle. As a first gun they're not really recommended. And compared to an AEG there is very little difference between the two in stock form, and sometimes even in upgraded standards. With two stock guns side by side, a sniper rifle and an AEG, the only difference really is that the AEG can volley many more rounds down range, there is no difference in accuracy or much else... (And in the case of clone sniper rifles, which I suspect you're looking to buy. They will easily begin to break and fail, there is a thread in the doctors corner about some kid complaining about his buggered TSD VSR.)

Seeing how you've been using clearsoft (Probably some Walmart gun) you haven't been able to experience what a real AEG can acheive.

Start off slow and get an AEG, there are many options to choose from through verification, and through more experience you can pick up a sniper rifle further down the road. A lot of people aren't comfortable with a newbie running around with a hot firing rifle as it can be potentially dangerous. Feeling out for MED (Minimum engagement ranges) and the such are pretty important.

Now, you can either ignore this and buy your rifle or buy the AEG, just a suggestion overall.

Well like everyone's saying, stay away from clones, you might find a gem like i did, or you might get a lemon like a lot of other users ive seen on this site. parts compatible, yes; quality? debatable

I'd second this also, but clones are good if you are going to drop the money in replacing all the internals. If you want out of the box awesomeness it would require you to drop a pretty penny as an investment.

I put about $1200-$1300 into building my own PDI based L96 with a bunch of extras on it simply because I like building up my guns than buying them ready to go out of the box.

to answer your title question. A good sniper is someone not something so a gun doesn't matter, I have "sniped" with my PPSH-41 before ;).

Onto what you ment lol.


the VSR VS the L96. The trigger set up in the VSR is just... horrible. Terrble terrble terrble. A lot of pressure on something not much thicker than your little finger.

The l96 trigger system is basically the zero trigger already installed.

When and where are you using the gun? Gas could be an option HOW EVER it is limited to warmer weather use. Now if you wanted versatility you could always consider a DSR-1 as they do come with a spring and gas bolt. Thats going to run you more than the SVD though.

Also were you wanting a single shot sniper or have you looked at AEG based sniper platforms? IMHO the mechbox is a bit easier and cheaper to upgrade especially if you get a v3 platform. Also you don't need to reposition after every shot. You can get a Mosfet unit to force 1 second intervals between shots. A SVD is a good option here, ... ar based one... frick can't remember the # at the moment. Or if you want a PSG1 how ever upgrades can get expensive for that as its a version 4 and the only gun that uses that mechbox set up.

I'm thinking a DMR might be a good idea instead of a Bolt-action rifle. Bolt-action requires alot of work and money. Since your said it's your first real airsoft. I suggest something like a M16 platform and change it to a DMR.

DMR or Sniper rifle, to get something working to a level where you have a range and accuracy advantage over another will take a 'lot' of money, And to be honest I find it silly that a newbie fresh out of clearsoft use would need such a rifle.

I made the mistake when I first got into the sport, its just easier to ease into airsoft gun use rather than aspiring for a hot shooting sniper rifle/DMR.

Its expensive no matter what you do, AEG, Bolt or Gas.

One AEG that no one has mentioned yet,but has alot of potential is the TM M14. Very solid platform,easily upgraded and maintained. It can be set up as a standard rifle or DMR in no time at all.

QFT. I have seen m14's out range VSR's and again if you miss you got another round coming right after it.

On a side note make sure you have a good side arm if you do run a BA. Depends on your field set up you may find you use it more than your BA. When I have my VSR I have a mac 11 with 3 mags as a side arm..... and people are more scared of that than the vsr lol.

Its simple!

Accuracy through volume!

M4's are notorious for not being good range/accuracy platforms. Many AEG's can be on par with a fully upgraded M4's range and accuracy with minimal upgrades; IE M14, AUG, G3, AK
However that being said, I got my M4 to shoot pretty damn far, not as accurately as a VSR, but about 20ft short.

Your biggest factor on range and accuracy is going to be your gunsmith.

FPS means extremely little in the ways of range, but for best accuracy stick to 440fps and .30g BBs

If your going pro-sniper, go bolt action springer or go home. Nothing is as reliable or accurate as a finely tuned bolt action springer rifle.

http://www.olive-drab.com/images/firearms_mg_m2_03.jpg

Wait a second.. We're talking about airsoft!

themz some nice sniper rifles. :D I motion to here forward call a m249 and m60 a sniper rifle as well!

I believe he is talking about an m14 not an m4.
http://www.puertogun.com/images/m14.jpg

These guns can perform pretty well in terms of accuracy, but it really depends on what's inside. I can't say they perform just as accurately as an upgrade bolt action, but they sure can compete because they have a better rate of fire since you never have to pull a bolt back.

I still prefer a bolt action though... a lot more satisfying =)

Agreed, nothin like pulling the bolt back and chambering in a new round

not accuracy, consistency. No such thing as an accurate gun only an accurate shooter.

Huh, Pro-Sniper? Interesting Name for a Sniper.
Anyways the Bolt action part would be a lot of money to put into. Then again the Semi-Auto snipers put up competition.
I'm going with Bolt-Action all the way! Going to Get Well L96 Spring Rifle with the most reliable upgrades yet! Maybe my dream bolt action sniper may come true!
:D

Er,

Well, sure. But you'd honestly be better off getting a non clone dude.

Upgrades were made for the namebrand guns, not the clones. No matter how many upgrades you put into the gun it won't perform to spec.

However, if you go as far as replacing everything but the stock you're fine. But either way.

And the WELL L96 is not a wise choice, the internals are mediocre to say the least, the polymer it is made out of is craptacular, not to mention the countless hours/money you'll put into it to make it the same as a somewhat upgraded non-clone sniper rifle

Have fun buddy.. hope you are willing to dish out that kinda cash.

Here is my setup and you don't have to follow everything to detail, but will give you an idea of parts you'll be needing to pick up:


Well/TSD L96
- PDI 6.01 APS2 Type 96 inner barrel 495mm
- Prometheus 6.03 inner barrel 505mm (Alternative barrel depending on the field)
- 7x PDI inner barrel spacers (not necessary, but reduces barrel vibration)
- PDI hop up chamber
- Prometheus bucking
- PDI End Screw
- Laylax Type 96 Zero Trigger
- PDI Suppressor/Silencer Attachment (not necessary if you are not going to use a suppressor)
- PDI Black flat end barrel
- PDI Type 96 Palsonite Cylinder Set Vacuum Chamber
- PDI 120, 130, 180, and 210 Springs (I use the 180 the most [shy of 400 FPS]. I just keep the rest depending on the field)


Scopes, Bipod, sound proofing, sling, suppressor, etc. are all extra shit and is dependent on what you want to do with your gun. I'll leave that up to you to decide because everyone has their own personal preference.

So basically it isnt even a WELL/TSD anymore

Exactly, but if he is willing to use it as a base platform it makes a good and cheap enough shell. He did say he wants the most reliable upgrades and is basically what I did... lol.

I would prefer to build it than to buy it out of the box, but that's my personal preference.

Thing your going to find with the cheap rifles is either you need to do it all or none. And if you do none than you end up replacing than stuff starts to break one after another. If this is your main rifle get something that will work even though its not fully done. Nothing worse than going to cock your ba and... Slam fire... And yes it will ALWAYS happen when you have someone in your site.

Its a M2 Browning .50 cal and they did put scopes on them in Vietnam to snipe. *facepalm*

I 'd go for a TM VSR. the reason being it's the simplest to fix and understand the workings of. It's also cheap and easy to upgrade compared to the AEG guns.

Have a look around at each platforms failings as well, know the known problems of each gun before you buy.

Just because it's a machine gun, doesn't mean it's not deadly accurate at long range :)

one of my teammates was running an m14 as a sniper platform and it was pretty scary. His accurracy was pretty mean, and he had created a shell for the body of the gun, so that when he pulled the trigger you couldnt even hear the mechbox turning over, if u were really close all you could hear was a very quiet "click" from the trigger itself.

True it doesnt have the satisfaction of slamming the bolt closed, but m14s are reliable and there are tons of parts out there for them. And if some asshat doesnt call his hits (as seen far too frequently, they just look around wonder where the fire came from then keep moving) with using an m14 u can pop another shot into him just to make sure he gets the message, before he moves out of your line of fire.

By any chance do you know how to silence the mechbox or if there's a DIY guide out there?

dont think thats possible, its like trying to silence a car engine, dont think that technology is out yet.

and for a suggestion for a good sniper, id go with the TM VSR 10 or if you are on a budget the JG BAR 10 which is the exact replica of it, even though people bitch about how bad clones are, JG clones are amazing, i own one myself had a VSR 10 as well, sold it just cuz i can put all the upgrades i did in it into my bar 10 and it works exactly the same and might as well sell the one "worth" more so yer. other than that if you have a bit more money i would suggest the maruzen APS-2 LRV - its one of the most accurate sniper rifles in town :)

So Scouser is lying? :(

im not lying he wrapped the whole damn thing in quarter inch foam so it muffled all the sound, then painted it and wrapped it in its own little ghille suit.

he didnt do anything to the mechbox itself, just to the shell to completely contain all the sound

The technology has been around for years, it's just very rare to see someone apply it to an AEG lol
Air brakes work great, it requires alot of fine tuning to get it to work in full auto, but it should really only be used in semi auto. TM VSR-10 G-spec's have air brakes, that's why they're so quiet left stock.
Helical gears greatly reduce noise unless you have a CA or other slightly off clone mechbox. CA has theirs gears ever so slightly further apart than TM so the gears are usually pretty noisy.
Then there's sorbo pads, angel silent head sets, silent piston heads used in combination with sorbo pads on silent cylinder heads.

But the best thing you can do is have the maximum barrel length for your cylinder type and have a silencer. My VSR10 has no air brake, and the barrel extends to 1" short of the stock silencer, yet it's as quiet as a gopher fart because there's back pressure on the piston for it's entire stroke.
As long as you don't let the piston glide forward too soon, it won't make that loud smack on the cylinder head.
It's just WAY harder to do in an AEG because you have so many moving parts, making it more difficult to attain good compression.

That's where ALOT of torque and a 14" silencer comes in handy :)

On some occasions, however, he used a different weapon the .50-caliber M2 Browning Machine Gun, on which he mounted the Unertl scope, using a bracket of his own design. This weapon had a Traversing and Elevating (T& E) mount that enabled precise aiming: it was accurate to 2500 yards when fired one round at a time. At one point, he took careful aim at a courier carrying a load of AK-47's and ammunition on a bicycle. He had second thoughts when he saw a 12-year-old boy in his sights, but after considering the intended use of those weapons, he decided to disable the bicycle, hitting the bike frame. The boy tumbled over the handlebars, grabbed a gun, and immediately began firing back, so Hathcock returned fire, killing him


BWAAA?!?!?!

(Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock)

Well it can be used to take out vehicles, that bikes a vehicle lol

Dynamat http://www.dynamat.com/products_comp...lity_paks.html is the stuff you can pack around mechboxes to help damp out noise.

As for the .50 it was pretty easy to set it up to hit targets at long rage. You do the math and dial in the T&E knobs, pop off a single round a piece of scrap metal, pull off you ear defender and a couple seconds you'll hear a ting as the round hits down range. Great fun!

You don't think thats pretty accurate that he can hit a thin piece of medal like the handlebar's connector without causing injury to the person with a .50 cal machine gun... FROM 2500 YARDS AWAY?!

Also what i do need to know is, the best Upgrade Industry or company there is to date! and thanks! again for all your help guys! hope to see some of you on the field soon then!

I have a feeling he missed, but the shockwave destroyed the bicycle.
Pretty sure the shockwave out at 2500 yards would be pretty significant, blow your hat off at the very least LOL

It's a right place/right time thing. Shots like this are easy if you shoot a lot ans shoot every day. He was in the right place to shoot a lot every day.

Thats a question that will have about 1000000000001 difference answers. It also depends on what gun you end up getting. Some people like PDI others hate it some like This others hate that. It really comes from your own experiences. What is your budget for your entire build this year? I say this year because you will put more money into next year :P.

I'll try not to be too much of a noob....
 

Hey I'm new to airsoft all together, and I know I'm the noob in the corner without a voice but I am also looking at an airsoft sniper rifle, and before people start pulling out the snipers are not for first timers speech, it's really just a point of preference. If someone wants to have a sniper rifle there going to go and buy one. Anyways I'm really looking for an a&k svd cause my budgets tight and I admire the svd, but finding one in Canada is hard as heck, any response would help sorry if I'm not wanted on this thread :0

I believe some of the age verified only retailers stock the item you are looking for.
Please check this websites frequently asked questions section (FAQ) for information in regards to age verification.

Capital Airsoft stocks an A&K SVD

Unless your 18, your SOL.

two things that usually dont get along in this sport
the SVD goes for about 300$
as an unverified member of the community we are not allowed to tell you where to get a gun.