Aftermath Typhon Socom Full Auto M9
 

Hey guys, looking for a first blow back semi auto.. is this thing worth buying? There on sale at PA for 119$ lookin for some input/ suggestion etc..

thank you!!:cool:

cheap gun from a cheap company, you would expect it to be
in my opinion and experience is that buying cheap usually will end up being broken in a short time
also, go get age verified and you will get a better gun for a similar price range

figured it was cheap but still at over 100$ not that cheap for me anyways..

?? "go get age verified and you will get a better gun for a similar price range"
what does age have to do with a better gun in a similar price range? first post in an airsoft forum..

thx

Airsoft Canada enforces a 18+ policy, where we cannot tell you or help you acquire airsoft guns. If you are 18+ you must meet with an Age verifier present a valid piece of government issue photo ID, we confirm it, submit the info and then you gain access to the restricted parts of the forum such as retailers and the classifieds where there are many deals to be had

damn! :rolleyes::rolleyes: well over 18 but not going to jump through hoops for some info.. thanks.

its not really a hoop....
More of a ring really, of fire.

anyways.
When you do meet with a Verifier they are usually more then happy to help out with any immediate questions you may have.
Aftermath isnt a great company, I mean the only gun they've produced to date that's even remotely good is the Kraken AK.

here read up on the rules and such
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=162066

I've considered buying one too, Heard mixed reviews so have held off. I used to have a "cheap" gas pistol with same type of magazine. I can say that gun was actually really good but the huge magazine was a pain. I prefer to carry a spare regular mag. Aftermath may be a "cheap" company but I have had a few of their aegs and they were all great. Especially their "Kraken" AK's possibly best bang for buck starter gun,(if u get it on sale and can put up with clearsoft). In the same price range falls the G&G xtreme45, I have one and it's decent, take a look at them.
As far as age verification goes, I've tried a few times over the last few years and only recently got in touch with someone who seems like I could actually get done through, however scheduling is an issue. Also I just don't see the point anymore. I'm not willing to risk buying a gun off someone I don't know and You can get most things online in Canada now. I always end up selling spare guns/equip to my friends so I don't need to do it here either. I've been told there are other benefits but no one can explain exactly what they are.

lol! thx for the link.. checked it out. ;)

thank you for posting, I have been looking at those G&G xtreme45 for longer then the socom.. thing is the socom just came up locally and the G&G would have to be ordered. same thing mixed reviews.. but I found better reviews on the socom even a guy on youtube said he had one for over 4years..

No, it's not worth buying. As redzaku mentioned - buy cheap, buy twice. Except hopefully the second time, you're smart enough to not buy cheap.

For M9s (and most GBBPs), the minimum that you'll want is a KJW. You can find them for $150-$200 in most Canadian stores. If you have the extra money to spend, it's worth buying a KWA or Tokyo Marui.

If "over $100 isn't that cheap", then don't waste it on WEs or anything below that. You'll just be throwing money into the wind. Stick to KJW, KWA, or TM, and you'll have a much better time.

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* KJWs are TM clones, made in China/Taiwan - they are parts-compatible with TMs, but don't have the quality of TMs. They are available in full metal, or smoked plastic lower receiver.

* KWAs are NOT TM clones, but KWA does make their replacement parts readily available directly through KWA. They're full metal, have the correct dimensions, and have a functioning decocker. They're generally considered on par - or in some cases, better than - a TM.

* TMs are considered the highest quality, for most pistol models. They're accurate, they're responsive, and they're durable. They're also plastic, and have a lower FPS (both due to Japanese law), and are very expensive, so that turns off a lot of newbies.

TM has produced two main versions of the M9:
Their first M9 version is one of their oldest models, and has a fixed hop up, and no functional decocker. That is what the KJW is based on, though the KJW has an adjustable hop up. Avoid this first version, and go KJW instead, if you so wish.

The newer M9 - the M9A1 - was released a couple years ago, and generally addresses the above problems. It feels better than the first version (weight distribution), has an adjustable hop, and a functional decocker. It still takes the first version's mags.

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Things to note:
* KJW and TM are compatible, and so are their mags. TM mags are higher quality, and will develop a leak less often than a KJW would. Leaks are fairly simple to repair though.
DO NOT run CO2 in a non-reinforced TM. TMs were built to run on duster (and can handle green gas), but that's it. Again, Japanese law says they can only shoot 1 joule, and shouldn't be modifiable to shoot beyond that.

* KSC and KWA are "essentially" the same company. They are two different companies, serving two different markets, with sometimes slightly different guns, but in most cases they're referred to interchangeably. In this case, a KSC and a KWA M9 are the same thing. You're more likely to run into a pistol labelled KWA than a KSC in Canada, though.

* WE/HK3P pistols are also TM compatible, but absolute shit.

* Don't waste money on anything lower.


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Edit: Post #9 in this thread here, is a pretty good overview: M9 - which one is best? - boards.ie

Personally I think WE and KJW M9s are absolute horseshit and the mags ALWAYS end up leaking due to the shitty side pin design

WE's hi-capas are ok, if you get one, keep it stock for as long as you can, it's when you start fidling that you run into fitment issues and things go sideways.

TM is my #1 for pistols, aftermarket parts makers tailor their specs to TM's specs so you know they're going to fit.

KWA is also pretty good and full metal and like FirestormX said, the parts are very easy to source, they're probably the best at parts support, WE is also good in this regard.

I always hear good things about TM pistols, aegs not so much, both are overpriced but at least you can run the pistol stock, fps doesn't matter so much at the range you tend to use one whereas no one I know/heard of uses a stock TM aeg, and it costs too much for the gun in the first place to have to upgrade it too! I have a KJW mk1 and it's only a $100 gun. No mag leaks for first 5yrs. 3 out of 5 leaking last summer, $3 each to fix, 2 minutes. Gun is not blowback but you can run the mags in the pistol and carbine. Both can be "ghetto upgraded" for nothing and my Carbine shoots over 600fps w/.20's. I haven't upgraded the pistol as the 420 it already shoots at is high for a pistol in the first place.

Wow mang! very thorough post thanks! Still new to all the name brands but I'll figure it out..:)

Good reminder/heads up.. I'm the type to take something apart before even shooting it, clean, debure, relube etc..

Any rec on vendors to buy from in Canada? 600fps pal rated??

Nothing wrong with a disassembly/cleaning but just don't throw any new ingredients into the mix unless you're comfortable troubleshooting. If you do take it down to clean the hopup rubber, their hopup unit screws are notorious for getting stripped easily, so make sure you use the correct sized screwdriver!

Age verification first, then they will talk

curious what your trip is on me getting age verified?? how about you get verified and show me how its done!? just sayin:rolleyes:

It's "ghetto upgraded" not 600 out of box. mine was about 550 when I got it,(they rate them lower but most of the time they are hotter) did the upgrade and was high 600's, after a couple years she was down to 590 so I re did the upgrade and was at 630 or so last summer. We'll see this season. I've heard of people getting them to shoot close to 1000fps with red gas and ghetto upgrade. You can also get barrel upgrade kit. I only use it to counter sniper at long distances cause it's too much for some people. But my bud's sniper was just over 700. Easy to find online in canada, just search the Bigger canadian retailers and you'll find it. For some reason they don't allow us to name sites unless verified. I still can't see much use for verification.

What... the... fuck.

lol

I have a Typhoon, AND I ran a KJW M9 Elite for 6 years- here's the difference:
Both have full metal slides, both has plastic lowers, but the KJ's build is a LOT more tight- less shake and less grit can get into it. The Typhoon, as much as I love it, I never for the co2 mag to work and the one I got I have to change a few springs in order to get the FullAuto to work.
With that said, both guns are nice to hold, you can exchange parts (recently I had to shelf my KJ, so now my Aftermath has my KJ barrel) and modify the snots out of the Typhoon. It'll accept TM and TM Cloned magazines, isn't too hard to maintain, and pins are never too hard to get out unless you just generally suck at using a hammer. So side-by-side, it's like the Typhoon is a modified clone of a clone- that's why people don't like it so much- plus parts tend to wear out on it pretty fast.
A tip with all GBB pistols: keep the slide clean and neatly lubed with silicone oil.

appreciate the input!

think I will go for a G&G extreme, found a vendor locally for 109$can.. too bad the typhoon doesn't hold up cause the full auto option would have been fun.

The G&G extreme is not advisable, it is known to shoot too hot for most fields. Also, it's CO2 only and mostly pot metal, so it'll likely tear itself to pieces after a few days of regular use. Save up and get something that will last.

Ahh well, done deal now.. Almost went for the typhoon cause of PA's return policy. Whatever the reason, no receipt they take it back! Maybe I should have picked that one up instead, cause the place I bought the G&G has a NO RETURN policy. So far the gun is awesome being the first real co2 airsoft I've purchased/shot. This is only for fun so will not see any action/gaming, just some plinking/paper punching.

also the vendor mentioned he has sold over 100 G&G with little to no returns (to manufacturer).. I know he's bias.

My G&G Xtreme shoots hot but I play outdoors so it's all good. It is pretty inconsistent, anywhere between 350 and 440. The blowback is crisp even though it only travels 2/3 of normal due to design, not really noticeable. It does leak co2 when mag is inserted into the gun, but stops after a couple shots. Problem is now you're down a couple rounds every time you load a mag. The gun rattles a bit more than a more expensive gun but for it's price it's a good gun. Had mine for all of last season and ran 500 rounds or so through it without issues other than the intermittent leak that stops after 2 rounds when it does happen.

can I clean the barrel on the gun or should I remove it? Alcohol or silicone oil or both? last thing I did put a drop of pellgunoil on my first co2 canister.. was that a bad a thing? do you use just silicone oil on co2? thx

Pellet gun oil is for pellet guns. Not airsoft.

You'll want to stick to silicon oil exclusively for your guns. And don't be generous with it, just a quick run through in your barrel is enough.

Usually a light weight silicone oil is your best bet. Don't use alcohol as it will destroy the coating inside the barrel. No reason to remove the barrel just back off the hop all the way. Cut strips of shop towel so there will be no lint, spray with a bit of oil and use a cleaning rod. Using a drop of silicone oil when inserting the co2 canister keeps the rubber seal in good condition and helps provide a better seal while at the same time makes it easier to remove the co2 if it's a tight fit or if you forget to take it out after playing.

I recently acquired the KWA M9 PTP. Let's say I hug it when I go to sleep.

I've had WE's and TM clones - as suggested save up a little and get it right the first time.

Thanks guys.

So far very happy with this pistol! Its a BEAST:cool:, haven't checked the fps yet. But I can tell this is not a gun you want to be shooting at anyone close range. Goes through both sides of a card board box, goes through both sides of a pop can at 20+ feet. Lol Its pretty impressive to look at the can after a full co2. So far have 300shots through it. No issues and no leaks...:cheers:

Impressed with the accuracy, like a review I read its a pocket sniper lol. I'm up to 700 rounds and a high of 440 fps on the chrony. Lots of reviews on this gun that report over 600fps(first few shots):rolleyes: wondering if its possible that the manufacture has addressed the issues in the past and the gun is solid now?? time will tell I guess..


Not that you guys want to see but I'd like to remove the lettering on the side of the pistol. Have you guys a method that only removes the letters and keeps the finish underneath decent?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...h/DSC00885.jpg

You could always go the route of a gun skin, if realism isn't a factor, they can look pretty cool,(something different). Easy to apply and not terribly $$$.

Looks good.. not really for me tho. Probably just sand down and polish, but I would rather have it blacked out. Might experiment first and see if I can't figure a way to remove the lettering without damage.