New TM M4 Model
 

I saw the new M4 on the tokyo marui website. Can't tell much about it cause I can't read Japanese, but it looks like they have re-inforced the rear tabs. Also appears to have a one piece barrel and different style stock. Hopefully the barrel wobble will be gone. Anyone know what the internals will be and if the performance will be any better than the current M4? Anyone know any english sites that have some info?

Redwolf had some info up...

EDIT + Info

"One of the most popular AEGs of all time from Marui, the M4A1 sports a EG1000 motor and detachable handle/upper receiver. For this new type, Marui has installed a one-piece aluminium outer barrel and new stylish stock. Metal parts include barrel assembly, fully adjustable front/rear sights, magazine, trigger. Bolt cover flips open when you pull charging handle back just like the real steel! The detachable carrying handle reveals a weaver rail mount that can take a hi-scope mount that allows you to peer over the front sight. Metal flash hider screws off to reveal counter-clockwise 14mm thread for attachment of silencer (not included)."

Seems the FPS is the same.

WGC has them too.

so its basically the same except for the outter barrel and stock.

Basically + Tabs.

I thought it was full metal!?

I don't think TM can legally make full metal airsoft guns in Japan.

-Cheese

Hoorah. Another Colt variant. In plastic.

I'm awaiting the inevitable fall from grace that TM will suffer, which hopefully will awaken them to the fact that their reliable internals will only carry them so far.

tm makes the best aeg's bar none. it was time for their m4 (which happens to be the standard in aeg's and probably for a reason) for a revision and i'm glad to see that they've resolved just about every major issue with the gun.
i'm surprised noone mentioned the revised hopup :). also these changes arent new, they were present in the s-system. so yeah the changes are: one piece barrel, new tabs (nicer body), new stock and improved (wont come loose as easily) hopup much like the laylax strike chamber.

long live tm.
i hope you ingrates realize that they actually designed just about every aeg out there, not to mention some great hop and gbb systems that other makers copied. the only exceptions i can think of right now would be the star (uses tm style gears and internals - mechbox shell) the top guns and the systema ptw's.

Don't forget ICS' M4A1!

Still the same mechbox, just cut in half. Hopup similar to G3, and crappier.

Are you talking about the TM or ICS?

I'm not sure if the one piece barrel as advertised is correct. I'm hearing from several airsoft stores that it is STILL a two piece configuration, but what they did was that they put on a tight rubber sleeve to cover both portions of the barrel. Some sort of "reinforcement" to prevent barrel wobble.

Can anyone verify this?

Good advice.

no one can deny that TM makes excellent guns.
Gryphon, you seem to like bashing everything thats not a CA, but seeing as how biased your oppinio is, its hard to take you seriously.
Pratically every AEG by every other maker is a copy of TM. The fact that TM hasnt gone with FMU armalites isnt a big deal, their guns are stiff affordable and every other gun they make is still excellent.

Agreed, CA and ICS have made some nice products as of late, but thats just recently. And its still anyones guess if its gonne work or not.

TM will always survive because they always come up with something new. others can come up with copies of TM guns, but TM comes out with revolutionary guns like the M14.

I was talking about the ICS, I was replying to the message directly above mine.

I believe TM's M4s used to have a 3-piece barrel design... 2-piece is a step up. I don't think the new M4s have been out long enough to really rule out the possibility of barrel wobble, but common consensus is that they're more stable now.

Way to be a thread necro, by the way =P

Exactly.

Gryphon has been brainwashed by Classic Army and it's becoming a real bore. Yes Gryphon, we all know you think CA is the absolute best ... you tell us how great CA all the time. Merry Christmas.

Are the Japanese allowed to have metal bodies for their guns at all? I thought there was some law there that no replica gun could be made out of materials strong enough to convert them to real working guns. So does that just apply to the airsoft made in Japan or any airsoft in Japan?

TM M14's were/are gods gift to airsoft...

thought the new type went with a new one peice barrel assembly?


Anyway, like Droc said, TM has great stock guns with affordability. Not going to put that out of business very fast.

Hey, thanks for the necropost fellas. Next time you feel the need to insult me try catching it about five months earlier so you don't look like grave digging idiots.

And by the way, G&G was first to market with the M14, the TM AEPs constantly misfeed, and their "new" M4 costs as much as a full-metal CA M15A4 but shoots slower and is plastic. Thanks for playing, come again.

I myself own 2 CA and 1 ICS rifles... I dont do in plastic toys
Anyway, everytime i see a broken gun at a game, its a TM who was to upgraded.
Last time a saw a tm m4, you could almost bend it 25 degree. Have to love barrel wobble...

edit" my post supposed to be after Gryphon one... weird bug...

Hey, thanks for the necropost fellas. Next time you feel the need to insult me try catching it about five months earlier, kay?

And by the way, G&G was first to market with the M14, the TM AEPs constantly misfeed, and their "new" M4 costs as much as a full-metal CA M15A4 but shoots slower and is plastic. I've never said TM made garbage, I've simply stated that there are plenty of alternatives now that give you a much better bang for the buck. Just so happens that CA is one of them and I happen to like them. Farkin sue me.

I'm with you. I spread the word for the dumb 'noob' who's looking for the best deal.

I really don't give a shit about how reputable a company is. TM should be in the shitter already for charging an outragious amount for what you get. This M4 doesn't even have everything it SHOULD have and they think that's a worthy reason to jack the price up more. Ha! What a rip. From what I here TM's are just as likely to not work out of the box as CA or ICS now. But you know, whenever TM makes a piece of shit, it seems that it's just swept under the carpet and then all hail TM. Bahh! All the're coming out with now are lamer, more plasticy little electric pistols with a pathetic battery capacity, even more plastic, more problems and what's this I hear about a charger melt down?

Meh, why do I care if people want to throw their money in the shitter for what is alot more toy than a CA will ever be.

Keep in mind: They cater to the Japanese market and the Japanese market alone. Rumpel, your comments will never reach their headquarters. Nor will most people in Japan care, considering that CA nor ICS can sell their guns in Japan afaik. I do have to agree with Gryphon that CA does provide some nice AEG's that are better than TM stock, and are pretty much rock solid and made to last.

But keep in mind that not everything FMU is great and good. KJW/1st Gen WE Tech's, for example. They are getting their acts together, but I don't think that the lemon count has gone down sufficiently to lure me away from the pure Japanese GBB's. Especially after having three out of six NIB Mk. 1 mags go belly up right from the get go, and three out of six P14 magazines just randomly conk out and fail on me.

On another note: TM has just finished their Type 89 AEG preliminary bodies. Which, I'm quite confident to say that no one in their right mind will copy besides a japanese company :D (Not to mention, I do want that AEG... Although once again I'm probably the only person in Canada to even remotely have interest in it :D)

TM is continually serving the Japanese exclusively. Any export sales are pretty much just icing on the cake. Because they can't make metal rec'rs (in adherence to ASGK requirements) they invest most of their effots on finish and fitment and functional engineering. CA, ICS and GG are not able to enter the ASGK realm in Japan so their market is strictly export.

I have to admit that ICS has improved significantly . Very nice finish on their metal M4 models. I haven't powered one up or taken apart their gearbox. I hope the internals have similarly improved. While KJW and WE have improved their cosmetics significantly, I feel they have very poor engineering. Instead of learning the subtleties of ASGs, they're still just copying TM wherever they can.

You can see a lack of appreciation to functional req's when they make an otherwise okay GBB (like the WE compact carry hicapa) but they cheap out on the mag fire valve which has a small dia valve pin. The small pin does not reset the firing pin properly so when you slam in a fresh mag with the hammer set forward, you can't get the gun to fire by just cocking the hammer. You have to rack the slide. The base block has the overflow tube just like a TM hicapa mag, but the fill valve is a single port valve which doesn't provide any of the constant fill properties of the TM hicapa.

Monkey monkey do without an careful examination of engineered features makes GBBs which look and feel like GBBs, but they will have outright design flaws or a high rate of DOA. Lots of similar examples in Crappy tire full suspension mountain bikes. They look like real mountaing bikes, but they weigh 60% more than a proper MTB. The brakes are kind of crappy, and the suspension is actually pretty crummy too.

i would love a type 89 are there any pics floating around?

now back to the topic TM are guns that EVERY player in airsoft has owned at least one TM product AEG,AEP,GBB and dont lie just because one company makes one gun better then the next doesn't mean you have to beat the under dog. i do love my TM SG1 but i a going to be selling it to get the CA SG1 because its more ecomical to buy the CA over the TM and save a few 100 bucks.

Wrong... G&G was the second producer of the m14 the absolute first was Airsoft club over 3 years ago...

Fine, throw them in the shitter, then airsoft essecially stops for a while. I haven't seen CA come out with new mechboxs, or any new guns for that matter. They just take a TM and add a metal body + a couple of internal upgrades. Whats so special about that? Do you really have to turn it into some sort of jihad because TM charged a bit more due to research and development costs? You know it just in the last couple of years that they made something decent, so they aren't exactly the gods of airsoft. Use one of their earlier version guns or their M249 and you'll see what I mean.

Calm down dude and let the Japanese hobby take its course.

CA33E, that was new. But agreed. Group Hug for all.

Arnie's Forum Link

There's a faxed page in there. Not really any more than we've seen thusfar...

Oh RIGHT! How could I have missed that incredibly popular and oft-encountered piece?

I've never owned a TM gun with the intension to keep it more than a couple days. And I mean literally that, days. They feel like toys but cost as much as something that feels like a real gun. They arn't as powerful and are equally reliable.

If getting TM guns is really icing on cake then why in the hell worship them so much for not giving a shit about anyone but the Japanese. CA, believe it or not, actually does listen to customer feedback and actually acknowledges that they're products are just about everywhere smart enough to get them worldwide. A cheap yet better product for the same price or little more plus customer focus, unbelievable, believe it. That's what I look for when spending mon dough.

Say what? arn't as powerful? as what? CA and TM guns run the same FPS really.

I've owned a TM. My first gun as was recommended as a starter.
I had a G36c. I LOVED that AEG. I never had a problem with it for the two years that I owned it.
It was always reliable, always fired and was a solid gun despite the plastic construction.
I recently purchased a G&P M4A1, so far so good. Nice weight as it is full metal. Hasn't been out to a game yet, so I'm hoping for the best.
Though I've heard many a mixed review on the G&P M4A1...
Not too sure what to believe at this point.
But in all I like it. But I must stick by TM as for the price point for a beginner, it was an awesome deal and an amazing package buck for buck!
:cheers:

That's only because it's what you tried first. Give a starving child a TV dinner and it'll be on par with some crazy all out ultimate lobster feast to me.

The thing that get's me is that whne TM fucks up, noone goes apeshit but if CA fucks up, they deserve an entire bashing thread which is by far incorrect.

I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your full metal G&P M4 knowing you saved hundreds of dollars. Sure some of them were fucked out of the box but that's the same with every gun except mabey those Systema PTW dealies. TM guns come as lemons as well. If I ever get a TM lemon (and that's if someone was holding a gun to my head to make me buy a new TM) I'd go all out and make my own bashing thread, though it wouldn't last but meh.

Anyways, TM does a good job making money and satisfying their Japanese customs, I'm going to be a good customer and save my money and buy something worth my while.

Sorry to ramble, peoples passions run high for these sort of things.

Depends on the gun and whose numbers you believe. CA advertises 85-95 m/s which is a large variance, and it depends on the parts used and who was assembling it that day. Like any mass production item there will be some better than others. My M15A4 Tac Carbine shoots around the 310 fps mark, my MP5 shot around 290, the CA249 MkII at 315, and the SAR M41FS at 320. They're all fairly consistent in stock form. I recently installed a Systema tightbore, CA bearing spring guide, and a Prometheus MS100 in the MP5 and it's almost always exactly 320 fps.

Stock TM seems to be around 260-280 fps which is a good deal slower than a stock CA. The difference is negligible in some cases although having the extra oomph is certainly preferable. The only exception to this I think is the M14 which people boast is around 300 fps stock. I will admit that thing is crazy accurate and seemingly gets excellent range. I have an unconfirmed suspicion that TM ships it with a tightbore.

Sorry but CA gun are 40-50fps more than TM out of the box

Ok so I can see that this is turnng into a Copy Army VS TM pissing contest so I'm closing this thread and it's now pointless.

Each have their own favorites for different reasons and lets leave it at that.