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Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 18:43

Airsoft through gun shops?
 
I was wondering:

Would a local gun retailer consider ordering airsoft? Has anyone tried this method? Do you think it would work or do you need a different license for airsoft than regular guns?

gamz April 16th, 2007 18:45

Generally speaking, real steelers hate airsoft.

Would you go to a car dealership to buy a toy car?

LUTNIT April 16th, 2007 18:51

this has been asked before, can't remember the details but the bottom line is it wont happen, ever.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 18:59

In that case, does anyone know a Canadian retailer that isn't afraid of KWC? BuyAirsoft.ca only carries a limited selection and 007 airsoft (once they get rollin' again) "don't deal with KWC anymore".

mcguyver April 16th, 2007 19:02

KWC is junk. Lower line from the same guys who brought us WE.

The Saint April 16th, 2007 19:23

What exactly are you looking for from KWC?

Greylocks April 16th, 2007 19:28

If you want to know wether this option was tried, it was. But beleive it or not, the importation permits for airsoft (replicas) are not the same as for real guns.

So gunsmiths wont do it. Or not for civilians.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 19:41

Thats poor.

BTW, anyone ordered off Airsplat? I know its outside Canada but i just want to know if their "customs letter" malarkey is all its cracked up to be.

shifty51 April 16th, 2007 19:44

how does that go exactly, 'dear customs, this is a box of guns, no peeking, let this box past your border, singned airsplats mommy' ?

KoolAidMan April 16th, 2007 19:47

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Originally Posted by shifty51 (Post 455584)
how does that go exactly, 'dear customs, this is a box of guns, no peeking, let this box past your border, singned airsplats mommy' ?

OMG LOL I think pissed myself

Dracheous April 16th, 2007 19:52

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Originally Posted by shifty51 (Post 455584)
how does that go exactly, 'dear customs, this is a box of guns, no peeking, let this box past your border, singned airsplats mommy' ?

Just one question, will you give up the rights so that I may tag that as a sig line? ROFL!

imperium April 16th, 2007 19:53

hahah thats freaking hilarious

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 19:53

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Originally Posted by shifty51 (Post 455584)
how does that go exactly, 'dear customs, this is a box of guns, no peeking, let this box past your border, singned airsplats mommy' ?

haha awesome.

I seriously doubt it would keep it form getting seized, but if it works....

It is a letter detailing the contents, i assume specifying that it is simply a toy and so on.

shifty51 April 16th, 2007 19:54

all rights released

plus if they takes springs i guess they takes springs wrapped in guns

The Saint April 16th, 2007 19:58

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Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455593)
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It is a letter detailing the contents, i assume specifying that it is simply a toy and so on.

Yeah, detailing the content as airsoft guns, which means customs will definitly pop the box and take a look inside. Then they'll realize just what sort of "toy" it is, and bad stuff happens.

Problem with importing airsoft into Canada is not that customs doesn't realize that airsoft guns are "toys". Problem is that you're not allowed to import things that resemble real guns to the point of fulfilling the replica firearms definition, which the vast majority of non-clear airsoft do.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:02

Every time i think about this i get pissed that my friend got his 100% replica Beretta through without a hitch when he came from Britain...

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:04

Can't live in the past, move on, move on. ;)

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:15

would i stand a better chance if i got my friend in montana to order it and brought it across personally?

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:19

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Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455615)
would i stand a better chance if i got my friend in montana to order it and brought it across personally?

Stop.

If you're going to talk about how you're going to break the law by smuggling airsoft across the border, don't. We don't want to hear about it and you're not doing airsoft in Canada any favour. If you want to smuggle, and we're telling you not to, please don't talk about it here. Please leave us out of the loop.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:23

i did not mention smuggling!! i heard there is a much better chance of getting it cleared if you are there in person to explain the true nature of the product. like pointing out that it has the orange safety tip and cant be modified for real rounds and so on...

KoolAidMan April 16th, 2007 20:26

Still considered a replica hence illegal to bring into country without license .

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:27

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Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455625)
i did not mention smuggling!! i heard there is a much better chance of getting it cleared if you are there in person to explain the true nature of the product. like pointing out that it has the orange safety tip and cant be modified for real rounds and so on...

Look, I've said this before, and you've obviously didn't read the FAQ, but airsoft is illegal for the average citizen to import because of its resemblence to real firearms. It doesn't matter that it shoots harmless BBs, it's the visual and handling characteristics that makes it illegal to import. Orange tip means nothing to Canadian officials.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:27

Damn.....

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:27

What do you want so badly anyways?

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:32

Although everyone here has made fun of it so far:
a KWC ultragrade desert eagle springer. just for plinking around. plus i have always liked the DE and want to know how big they are in person.

all this is terribly depressing news tho.

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:36

KWC ultragrade springers were difficult to get in Canada even in the best of times.

You might want to get age verified anyways, at least it'll add to your options later.

Goin_Ribbs April 16th, 2007 20:42

i keep running into the age verification thing and i dont know when i'll be able to get verified.

What makes me mad is that BuyAirsoft.ca is the only Canadian site i know of that sells KWC at the moment and they refused to import it.

thing is, they carry the KWC GBBs, so why not the springer?

Greylocks April 16th, 2007 20:44

If you really want an airsoft gun, just get checked out. Prove you're over 18, go through the process.

Then you really must learn about the rules/laws surrounding the ownership and use of Replica guns. Just plinking, in most places, is out of the question.

Please read some more of the FAQ? The answers are there, so are the solutions?

After age-verification, you'll also have access to the Classifieds section. Lots of stuff to buy there.

The Saint April 16th, 2007 20:46

We can't answer that. Probably best not to dwell on it too much. Think of this as a forced saving of money for a GBB at a later date.

Cassius April 16th, 2007 20:48

There is no need to look for the secret bypassing loop as there are none.

Importing airsoft is illegal unless you have the proper permits and even then it is still pretty complicated and will cost you alot.

Your options are to get Age Verified and buy used or get one from the very few remaining canadian retailers. That's pretty much it.

trufret April 16th, 2007 23:53

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Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455649)
i keep running into the age verification thing and i dont know when i'll be able to get verified.

What makes me mad is that BuyAirsoft.ca is the only Canadian site i know of that sells KWC at the moment and they refused to import it.

thing is, they carry the KWC GBBs, so why not the springer?

Just going out on a limb here but springers are pretty much useless in games and since it's such a pain to get guns in the retailers aren't going to bother with cheap springers or guns that aren't game worthy in general. Those cheap guns won't be of much use on the field and would probably be allot more likely to be involved with someone doing something stupid and getting the cops called. bad for the person, bad for the retailer, bad for the community.

McSpankyMp5 April 17th, 2007 00:01

Wholesales sports in edmonton is a huge gun store and they had airsoft
the thing is...they had it but i asked them when they'll get more they said never so basically i just wasted a minute of your life
IM SORRY

swatt13 April 17th, 2007 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455507)
I was wondering:

Would a local gun retailer consider ordering airsoft? Has anyone tried this method? Do you think it would work or do you need a different license for airsoft than regular guns?

shooting egde in calgary orders and carries airsoft.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamz (Post 455509)
Generally speaking, real steelers hate airsoft.

Would you go to a car dealership to buy a toy car?

thats where i go to buy all my models, esspecially since theyre 3X the price than id get em from walmart, but hey.... lol.

Brian McIlmoyle April 17th, 2007 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goin_Ribbs (Post 455507)
I was wondering:

Would a local gun retailer consider ordering airsoft? Has anyone tried this method? Do you think it would work or do you need a different license for airsoft than regular guns?


Even a license to sell Firearms, both restricted and non restricted.. is not a license to sell prohibited devices..
There is no such license ... it is illegal to sell replica firearns to individuals. So I can't see many gun shops putting their livelyhoods on the line to sell toy guns

bucky May 30th, 2008 15:39

you could get them to keep everything but the body and send a box of parts, thats not illegal. seperate receipts for everything might help too and i would try from overseas like redolf airsoft, they may be more lenient there.

kalnaren May 30th, 2008 15:52

nice necro there buddy

KND May 30th, 2008 16:50

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 730888)
you could get them to keep everything but the body and send a box of parts, thats not illegal. seperate receipts for everything might help too and i would try from overseas like redolf airsoft, they may be more lenient there.

Dude, read the FAQ
Not many parts can import to Canada.
Some part look like the real part.
They will be seized at the border.

your welcome.

Alex Le Chef May 30th, 2008 22:49

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Originally Posted by KND (Post 730940)
Dude, read the FAQ
Not many parts can import to Canada.
Some part look like the real part.
They will be seized at the border.

your welcome.


no seriously i asked that to my self the other day

lets say we talking about a m16/m4 only the metal body would not make it ?

The Saint May 30th, 2008 22:55

It's illegal to assemble (manufacture) prohibited devices, so it's possible for CBSA to try and defend seizing non-receiver externals on that point.

ToTaL_oWnAgE May 30th, 2008 23:27

I think it depends on the gun store. backcountry her in Red Deer does. though it is clearsoft

G.Sgt Marty May 30th, 2008 23:43

Just to comment on Saints post on page 1.......Everybody should understand we all live in the "U.S.S.R. of Canada", Anything that looks like a real gun is bad news in the peoples eyes, I mean even water guns need to be painted neon green or orange for fucks sake.....So good luck on getting any Airsoft guns from out of Canada. U just need to go through the Canadian Retailers like everybody eles.

(I wish I lived in the States lol)

KND May 31st, 2008 00:16

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Originally Posted by Alex Le Chef (Post 731172)
no seriously i asked that to my self the other day

lets say we talking about a m16/m4 only the metal body would not make it ?

Hi ! seriously some part will be seized by custom, but It's depend on the custom who has knowledge in firearm or not. They are not going to risky their job because of that, they may or may not seized the metal body. One more thing, it's also depend on the retailer that you order too. For my experience, last time I order some parts from ehobbyasia cost me around 160 $. we could say, it's accident, because they put the 40 mm G&P grenade in my box ( accident include in price ) and ....etc, It's really freaking me out that my package will be seized. Lucky me ! they didn't even open the box and charge the tax. Another order from redwolf came 2 days later, they opened the box, charge the tax 19.76 for 91.36 $ valve item.

KND

Azathoth May 31st, 2008 01:05

I don't want to perpetuate this necro, their is a gun store in West Edmonton Mall that sells Krakens

Muffin May 31st, 2008 10:20

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Originally Posted by Alex Le Chef (Post 731172)
no seriously i asked that to my self the other day

lets say we talking about a m16/m4 only the metal body would not make it ?

Customs isn't going to dissmantle and ship you the parts that are not prohibited. Your gun will be seized.

The Saint May 31st, 2008 10:25

Exceptions for clear guns have been made for a while now, it's nothing new.

Alex Le Chef May 31st, 2008 11:18

everyone ordered fronts they shipped ,buttstocks they shipped motors...they shipped mags it makes it trought ? no ? so back to my question only the metal body would not make it ?


stop the bla bla i want to put my mark on the forum saying bla bla read the faq's been a round and read them...

The Saint May 31st, 2008 11:42

You're asking for an exact answer where one doesn't exist. The current law is not made for clear, logical answers. As I've already told you, CBSA has grounds to seize non-receiver externals if they choose to. Right now, that is generally not what they do.

However, if a CBSA agent does choose to seize externals, CBSA would most likely back them up and you'd have quite a fight on your hands. However, though it is illegal to manufacture prohibited devices (replica firearm), it is not illegal (per strict wording in CCC) to possess parts that can be assembled into a replica firearm (can't outlaw wood, after all). Begs the question of why they can even seize replica receivers when it's not assembled onto a gun.

As I've said, the current law is problematic.

pdog June 17th, 2008 11:18

yo im going to try gettin a job at a outdoor sports place like wholesale sports and see if i can get them to import specific guns becauce i alraedy know that they have a few ccc guns

Disco_Dante June 17th, 2008 11:35

No, that won't work. You're silly.


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