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Drache June 6th, 2007 17:17

CA M14 Match
 
I have one arriving in two weeks but I cannot find any info on what size and shape of battery it takes so I can order one. Anyone here have an idea? Also what plug size?

The Saint June 6th, 2007 17:21

Takes a large 8.4v battery, but has the same issue as TM14 where batteries made from the biggest Sub C cells barely or can't fit through the battery door. Not really a big deal, though, just take the butt plate off.

Drache June 6th, 2007 19:10

I'm also looking for a rail to mount a scope onto this gun, anyone know where I can find one or what fits? I searched through the classifieds here but couldn't find one.

Drache June 7th, 2007 00:24

Ok I found a rail I think. I found a M14 scope mount on ACA and I'm hoping it will work and fit the an M3 scope. Will these work together with the M14?

Amos June 7th, 2007 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache (Post 482993)
Ok I found a rail I think. I found a M14 scope mount on ACA and I'm hoping it will work and fit the an M3 scope. Will these work together with the M14?

Apperently the side mounted rails are crap.

What you need to get is a RIS system and a scope mount nub.

Drache June 7th, 2007 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos (Post 482994)
Apperently the side mounted rails are crap.

What you need to get is a RIS system and a scope mount nub.


Two problems with that is the price and the availability.... :|

Drache June 7th, 2007 15:23

Last question before someone can delete this silly thread....

will a G&P Silencer with a -14mm thread work on my M14 of will I need an adapter?

The Saint June 7th, 2007 15:49

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Originally Posted by Drache (Post 482997)
Two problems with that is the price and the availability.... :|

Well worth it, though. Sidemounts are a lot of deadweight.

CA uses -14mm (aka. CCW) thread on all their flashhiders. If their M14's flashhider is screwed on, the thread will be -14mm.

vatek June 7th, 2007 16:52

I've got no complaints with my KA sidemount on a TM M14...

If it adds dead weight, it's pretty negligible.

R.A.T.M._JLD June 7th, 2007 17:03

I had bought kinds of mounts on a real M1A and fund the RIS to be more dead weight.

Drache June 7th, 2007 19:25

I'll pick up a side mount from ACA along with an M3 scope when I sell my MP5-SD6. Thanks for all the feedback!

LUTNIT June 7th, 2007 19:29

Might as well throw my question in here...

The pics I've seen look like theres a notch in the mag that comes with the gun, like a G&G M14 mag where as the TM M14 mags are solid rectangles. Is it a ver.7 mechbox or a copy of the special G&G M14 mechbox?

Drache June 7th, 2007 19:40

The TM and CA mags for the M14s are NOT interchangable... I've learned that much lol.

Drache June 7th, 2007 20:34

A guy over at airsoft kelowna just told me that he cant use a battery over 1800mAH in his TM M14 because it causes his gun to sort of double fire. Anyone else heard this and will it happen with my CA M14? If this is a problem cause I already ordered an 8.4v 2400 mAH battery for it....

The Saint June 7th, 2007 20:53

The CA14 won't react to the same battery the same way as the TM14 due to their many differences. Not sure how a CA14 would react that battery, too little info. Probably not double fire, though, different mechbox and electrical work all together.

Drache June 7th, 2007 21:29

well this is a brand new battery and a brand new CA M14 Match

vatek June 7th, 2007 23:18

I'm almost positive that CA chose to base their M14 on the G&G version, not the TM.

I'm still wondering about their reasoning for that...

The Saint June 7th, 2007 23:35

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Originally Posted by vatek (Post 483516)
I'm almost positive that CA chose to base their M14 on the G&G version, not the TM.

It's been confirmed with photographic evidence that the CA14 uses a gearbox derived from the G&G14, not the TM14.

Other than the notch in the mag and assuming CA didn't drop the ball on the manufacturing, the report is that the G&G-based gearbox is a lot beefier than the version 7 and without all the external complexity.

Arnies report, real stuff starts from page 2: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...ic=109613&st=0

Edit: After re-reading the thread, the CA14 has way more battery room than the TM14 ever did. My bad, sorry about the mix up.

Pip June 8th, 2007 10:54

I've been able to run a 2400 Nicad as well as a 3600 nimh in my TM, no problem, its a tight fit, but who doesn't like it tight though...

The Saint June 8th, 2007 11:01

I fit a 3800mah 8.4v in my SOCOM only after taking the shrink wrap off and had to charge it inside the gun. I think TM was on the frugal side with their battery space. ;)

Ace of Spades© June 8th, 2007 11:14

You can run up to a 4500 mah 8.4 battery in the TM M14. And yes, its possible to put it in without removing the butt place and the shrink wrap

The Saint June 8th, 2007 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace of Spades (Post 483688)
You can run up to a 4500 mah 8.4 battery in the TM M14. And yes, its possible to put it in without removing the butt place and the shrink wrap

Not from my experience, unless your 4500mah cells are smaller than 3800mah Intellect cells.

vatek June 8th, 2007 16:24

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Originally Posted by AirsoftGI from Arnies
We received about 2 dozens of these new M14 series. While doing the testing for all the preorder customers and our own store testing. We have found at least 1/3 of them have low fps with 0.2g bbs; of course we can't ship out the bad ones. Some were shooting very erratic, they were shooting from 315 to 185 fps. So, we took 2 of the ones that were shooting poorly and put in a SP120 without changing too many things just to see how it would do. And, no surprise to us, they shot 330 fps with 0.2g bbs with SP 120.

Feeding is not the problem, we think the problem is at the nozzle or the hop up bucking or even the hop up unit. The airseal was fine at the cylinder unit.

By us saying this in the public will pretty much destroy the chance of us selling the remaining of our supply. But, we rather eat them for now and fix it after CA or Spartan figure out the problems.

Ouch. That doesn't bode too well.

The Saint June 8th, 2007 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by vatek (Post 483854)
Ouch. That doesn't bode too well.

Read the entire thread. AirsoftGI either got the only bad batch ever made, or they're not very good at gunsmithing.

Zekk05 June 8th, 2007 17:07

the real question is... why would one get a CAM14 rather than a TM M14. my TM has given me nothing but the best of luck, save for one rain game. Ive heard horror stories about G&G's, and its hard enough finding mags for them.

Besides a larger battery compartment, why go CA?

Hedonism Bot June 8th, 2007 17:12

I have a 4500 Elite 8.4 pack and it fits in with room to spare. Saint I don't know how you were putting your battery in but I've never had even the slightest issue with my TM Socom's battery compatrment.

Edit: Ooops didn't make the connection that this is a for sale post. Obviously not the best forum to discuss a gun that's not even on the table.

My wrong.

Drache June 8th, 2007 17:38

Hedonism, this isn't a for sale post. The reason I chose the CA was the price was much lower and the amount of metal to it. As for the Arniesairsoft bad batch, those were CA M14 Scouts, not the Match versions. I've heard nothing but good about the CA M14 Match and so I decided to pick one up.

I never thought that this thread would turn into such a debate....

Quote:

The CA M14 features a newly designed gearbox that has many parts compatible with other Japanese AEG aftermarket parts. The semi/full auto fire settings and the large 470rnd capacity magazine make it ideal as a suppot weapon or sniper rifle with its lengthy inner barrel. In addition the M14 Match replicates the functions of the M14 such as Moveable Cocking Lever, Bolt Cover, safety, and fire selector. All these features combined make the CA Full Metal M14 Match hard to beat.

Length: 112cm
Weight: 3800g
Magazine Capacity: 470 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 320 fps
Battery Package Size: Large 8.4v
Package Includes: gun, magazine, cleaning rod, manual

New Design 7mm Oily Steel Bushing Gear Box
Moveable Cocking Lever and Bolt Cover
Metallic Hop-Up Chamber
Metal Spring Guide

This airsoft gun cannot accept a large 9.6v battery pack. It is unknown how compatible with after market parts this airsoft gun is at this time.

The Saint June 8th, 2007 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zekk05 (Post 483876)
Besides a larger battery compartment, why go CA?

Simplier gearbox (not a direct clone of the G&G, CA has modified the design), tougher gearbox, stock metal bushings, higher stock FPS, way better external.

Quote:

I have a 4500 Elite 8.4 pack and it fits in with room to spare. Saint I don't know how you were putting your battery in but I've never had even the slightest issue with my TM Socom's battery compatrment.
Open battery door and stick it in, obviously. Couldn't even get past the protective end caps on the Intellect battery.

Hedonism Bot June 8th, 2007 18:12

I don't know what made me think this was the for sale post in the electric guns section.

Saint all I can say is I'm glad I didn't go with the Intellect pack.

Unfortunatly cheapbatterypacks.com does not seem to carry Intellect cells anymore so I can't compare the size.

I assumed the CA M14 would be more expensive than the TM. The price issue should probably cause alot of people to ponder whether or not the TM version is worth spending extra $.

The TM M14 SOCOM is the best airsoft gun I've ever used (my favorite). Too bad it's soo damned heavy. With the popularity of Armalite and MP5 variants i don't know if I'll ever get a chance to check out the CAm14 in person.

The Saint June 8th, 2007 18:17

CA14 is cheaper than the TM14, even here in Canada.

Drache June 8th, 2007 18:18

The reason I got the CA M14 Match so cheap is because all the trademarks were removed from it and I bought it new off a guy here in BC. After shipping I think it came out to $700 CDN.

The Saint June 8th, 2007 18:21

Normally outside of Canada, the CA14 is around $100USD cheaper than the TM14.

Drache June 12th, 2007 14:04

Ok I just received the M14 today in the mail and I will say that the problem with the battery not fitting in the battery door is correct. It's not to do with size of the door or the battery but the battery door not being properly lined up with the hole the battery is supposed to sit it. All I had to do was take off the buttplate though like Saint suggested and the battery fit perfectly!

Never realized the M14's were such heavy AEGs lol!

Drache June 18th, 2007 23:04

What would I need to do to get this M14 running up in the 370-390 fps range?

The Saint June 18th, 2007 23:08

What's it shooting at now?

Drache June 19th, 2007 00:46

stock 320

The Saint June 19th, 2007 12:55

Prometheus MS110 or Guarder SP110, maybe a bearing spring guide. That's pretty much it.

Drache June 19th, 2007 13:13

I dont have to worry about reinforced gears, gearboxes, bushings, etc?

Drache June 20th, 2007 13:26

Well half of the people I talk to are telling me that I new need reinforced gears and metal bushings and such as well.

Drache June 20th, 2007 18:43

Ok I've got a quote for $200 plus shipping to get my M14 upgraded to the 400fps range.

I do have a problem though with the BB's going either to the left or right randomly after about 30 feet. Any way to fix this?

Raygis LasVegas June 21st, 2007 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache (Post 489476)
Ok I've got a quote for $200 plus shipping to get my M14 upgraded to the 400fps range.

I do have a problem though with the BB's going either to the left or right randomly after about 30 feet. Any way to fix this?

Try replacing your hop-up bucking and give your barrel a good cleaning. After this your shots should be straight.

Drache June 21st, 2007 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raygis LasVegas (Post 489929)
Try replacing your hop-up bucking and give your barrel a good cleaning. After this your shots should be straight.

I didn't think I would have to do with with a brand new gun straight from the box but ok. :confused: Thanks! :D

The Saint June 21st, 2007 19:23

CA hop buckings aren't that great, sometimes downright ineffective.

colazel June 27th, 2007 15:35

CAn you tell me what the difference between the CA m14 Match and the CA m14 scout??

The Saint June 27th, 2007 15:38

Besides different looks? The Match has a slightly longer inner barrel.

R.A.T.M._JLD June 27th, 2007 15:38

The barrel length.

Match: http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/images/m14matchdone.jpg
Scout: http://aasurplus.ca/airsoft/images/m14classicdone.jpg

ukko June 28th, 2007 13:51

hi all
2nd post for me, and also im in the UK, dont blame me, blame the perants :D
So i thought i'd share my thoughts about the CA M14 over here in old blightey!
Currently the "scout" version is comming in at £220 UKP ($467.453 CAD)The "match" is coming in slightly cheaper, at £199 UKP ($422.771 CAD)

Personal experiance with mine so far, (i have the scout) battery a little difficult to fit, i slammed in a 3700 large, made by a UK company called Tornado, the mag's don't always fully click into place in the magwell, and also bad feeding from the mag's.
I'm guessing the magwell will just bed in with time, and the mag's where sorted out with a little silicone sprey. Took it out on a skirmish and got plenty of hits with it.
I like it alot, build is good, externals are good, ROF with just an 8.4 is very very nice, personally i think that the accurancy isn't as good as i hoped, but im sure a tight bore will help.
well theres a few thoughs of mine, cheers

Nige

Ace of Spades© June 28th, 2007 14:42

If I'm not mistaken, the M14 "Scout" is a replica of the Springfield M1A Scout and the M14 "Match" is the replica of the Springfield M1A Match grade rifle.

Quick glance shows that the Match has a full length barrel, while the Scout has the scout mount and the M25 flash suppressor with a short barrel.

mallior July 5th, 2007 12:14

Match
 
Hi!

I have some questions about the match (i'm not an owner yet):
1. how can you put on a scope on it, which kins on mount base fits it
2. the same with bipod
3. which type of gearbox has the gun? (cylinderhead, pistonhead, spring, nozle, springguide)
Thanks

Drache July 6th, 2007 22:03

1. There are two different ways, the cheap way is a standard M14 side mount rail, the most expensive is an RIS.

2. Not sure as I haven't tried yet.

3. My M14 Match came with a Version 7 gearbox and more metal internals than I can shake a stick at.

Ace of Spades© July 6th, 2007 22:14

Uh.... The CA is a copy of the G&G M14, so it does not have a V7 gearbox, thats the TM one. The CA/G&G has a mix of the version 2 and 3 geabox.

Nik12 July 8th, 2007 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache (Post 483350)
I'll pick up a side mount from ACA along with an M3 scope when I sell my MP5-SD6. Thanks for all the feedback!

So, what's the make of that SD6?

(I'm kidding. I'm not actually trying to go around the AV process, just pointing out the possibility)

Drache July 15th, 2007 23:14

the SD6 was sold ages ago anyways

Is there any place to buy spare mags for the CA M14's yet?

Balls August 28th, 2007 00:39

CA M14
 
:infantry: does any one own the CA M14 Match? I am looking to buy it and I want to know if it is any good:infantry:

Drache August 28th, 2007 01:04

I did but I sold it to a local player


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