Goggles with RX inserts
 

So far, i only found these
http://www.opticsplanet.net/ess-striker-rx-insert.html
in these http://www.esseyepro.com/Profile-Tur...53_detail.html to be useful.
There are a few goggles that allow RX inserts, and say the goggles won't fog up, but problem is, the RX lenses fog up and you can't just apply anti-fog products on them (strips their filtering, which has to stay to avoid reflections, also can blur them)
What do you people use?
Are there any alternative goggles with ventilation, similiar to the turbofan ones? That also have RX inserts?
I don't want to wear glasses under goggles, it's just trouble.

Also if anyone have any rx inserts for the ESS striker and turbo goggles that they don't use, i'm willing to buy one or two

There's some made by Wiley-X. I'm not sure if the prescription lenses on those fog though. I personally wear glasses under my goggles. It's not trouble unless they start to fog (just like RX inserts). I've yet to really find a good anti-fog for glasses but I find a coat of soap can keep it under control.

Do you just soap and clean the glasses?

Also
http://www.botachtactical.com/eyesafsyscbc.html
http://www.botachtactical.com/essprtugo.html
http://www.botachtactical.com/esssttugo.html

Whats the difference between these? Just the looks, or what? There have to be reason for them to release 3 types

The problem with glasses, as I'm sure you know, is that if your head is tilted down then you cannot see over the glasses should you need to look up but keep the head tilted down. Vice versa, too. Contacts solve this.

Do yourself a favor and consider contact lenses. Get the disposable kind just for airsoft and sports. Contacts never fog up and provide TOTAL field of vision, unlike glasses which do not provide peripheral coverage. As well, Contacts stay put and weigh nothing.

In my opinion, the "turbo-fan" thing is a gimmick. I have the ESS Turbofan goggles and they've been nothing but troublesome. Others seem to be happy. For one thing, they make a shitload of noise. And I don't just mean ambient noise, I mean they drown out noises that other people are making such as when they're approaching. Giveaway sounds such as branches snapping or other soft sounds get masked out by the fan. The fan itself emits noise, something to consider.

The fan connections are a point of failure. Mine have become "flaky", as in the fan stops/starts working if I play around with the switch. The fan also WILL NOT make you fog free, not in weather such as high humidity, rain, and heavy sweating. Neither will the non-fan ones but at least those don't cost you $150-$200.

Allergic :D
I noticed, the RX inserts are quite big, using plenty of space inside the goggles, http://www.botachtactical.com/bolatrxad.html these ones look especially big.
It should solve the reduced field of vision, thats why i use big glasses for daily use,
The ESS inserts seem to be a bit smaller.
yeah i'm a bit obsessed with "perfect vision", for example i don't touch my glasses, at all, don't even clean them with cloth, i just apply some liquid soap on them, rub the soap on them a bit, and keep it under the shower, pressured water until the water cleans the soap off, than i dip the glasses into a bowl of clean water and slowly take them out, if you do it correctly, the glasses will come out of the water completely dry because of the water's surface tension. This way you can prevent your glasses from blurring out at least 2-3 years.

I'm using the ESS Advancer V12 and Ice 2.4, both can take the RX Insert

Do you think "ESS Advancer V12" cover enough area around the eyes? I don't like the ice series much, not that safe, especially while playing with my friends.

the Advancer cover all your eyes. No chances a BB can hit your eyes !!

Ive been using Ice tactical glasses with RX inserts and in the 2 years and they only ever for when its hot out and raining. Which is rare.

I also use 1day contact lenses as theyre by far the superior choice, but I like having a backup method in case im in a rush one morning, or if i forget something.

I use ESS NVG Profile goggles and ICE 2.4 glasses, both use the same wire frame Rx insert. I was never able to use contacts, they drive me insane and end up irritating my eye (and my mood).

Field of vision isn't really a problem since the goggle's frame limits your field around the edges, plus I'm usually wearing either a ball cap, boonie hat or helmet (MICH), all of which force me to tilt my head back (when prone) to see forward.

Your Rx inserts get their own set of prescription lenses, so coating isn't really a problem. I got the most basic set with no anti-fog or anti-reflection coating, and use my own anti-fog solution (Sea Drops). The reasoning for no treatment on the lenses is simple: the anti-fog they use isn't sufficient for airsoft, and the polycarb lenses on the goggles don't have anti-reflection, so even if your Rx lenses are treated you'll get reflection anyway. Better to save your money and use your own anti-fogging solution. And with a hat on, reflection has rarely been an issue.

I just placed order for a bolle t-800 with rx holders, if the shipping doesn't cost much, i might just get those.
Also contacts are annoying for sure, i quit fencing because my eye got irritated from contacts.
btw Drake whats that thing in your avatar?

Bloody botach, i shouldn't have ordered from them lol.

These goggles are nice, i hope i will be able to get some RX glasses cut to them, i still need to trim my eyelashes though

So, after spending 430$ on these, (90$ the goggles inc shipping) (90$ for the eye exam to get my RX again) (250$ on the glasses since both of my eyes are -7.25 and %55 thinned lenses were used)
it fogs up, the lenses does, not the goggles, i tried OP DROPS, still fogs up.

Whats left to do beside laser surgery or contact lenses? (both are impossible for me, for at least 5 years)
Making a custom lens holder, based on the bolle's lens holder, which is way too big, extends to the places where you can't even look at, it blocks the airflow, also i had to cut my eyelashes (yes, my mom is pissed) so they would stop hitting the lenses. And use the old lenses in the same lens holder.

I run ESS Landops with an Rx frame in them (I can not wear contacts) and I just installed a 3/4" computer fan and switchbox on them. I also have the Bolles with the Rx frame but they usually fog up no matter what I use. I'm trying to find a SCUBA product called "pilot"(sp) that's supposed to be the cats ass to prevent fogging. So far, no luck.

You could try getting a good strong wrap around frame, polycarb/carbon fibre etc, and have polycarbonate prescription lenses put in it. I used this for a several years with very little problem, granted I worked at an optician so that made it alot easier.

i think i will just give up trying lol

PM Duckman. He uses inserts in a couple different goggles.

PMed and gave the link of this thread, Hm I wonder if i could find any air pumps, similiar to the ones used in small blood pressure devices, to pump air through a thin pipe

what about a definitive industrial anti-fog coating ? anyone ever tried that?

Thermal lense for the goggles. I have them in my ESS, no fog unless its very humid etc etc and even then i barely have any.

not the goggles that are fogging.

Get the lenses with a good AR, anti-reflection, coating. This will have a hydrophobic layer it it, it reppels water and will reduce the amount of fogging you will suffer from.

"Get the lenses with a good AR, anti-reflection, coating."
Did that, actually, i suspect the hydrophobic layer to be making the OP DROPS anti-fog uneffective, since it needs a surface to grab onto, I'm planning to visit the shop and check unfiltered lenses if they do any good with anti-fog stuff, if they do, 250$ goes to waste :)
But i'm also considering using some kind of pump to pump air through some thin air pipes into the goggles, it would solve the problem.

Been looking at the ESS stuff for myself. You can get these with RX lenses installed without a "double glazed" insert.

CDI
CDI RX
Flyby RX
Recon RX

http://www.petsolutions.com/default....29045&SID=NXTG

I wonder if this would do the trick.

i've never used bolle's since they dont really fit the asian face all that well...at least in my case.

what i have are a pair of jt thermal paintball goggles with jt's rx adaptor which is just a compression fit to the top mesh of hte goggle and the bottom of it. with which i have no eye lash issues and have yet to fog in the last 2 or 3 years that i've had them. you might have a bit of a hard time with hats or helmets sitting properly though.

there really isnt all that much you can do as far as i know in the case of bolle's since there really isnt all that much airflow to begin with plus they sit so close to the face. honestly you're kinda screwed if you sweat alot in the area surrounding your eyes. this is amplified by breathing heavily when active. i offset this by exhaling out my nose as much as possible thus directing the moist air from my lungs downward and not out and up that exhaling through your mouth can do.

as far as your fan idea goes i'd say try using ram air at the sides if you have the small gap under the strap attachment area's. this is generally only the case for people with narrower faces, and then rig the battery on the strap behind your head. it's going to be loud and your eyes will feel as dry as stones in a desert if you run it constantly. and then there's the added weight of the hardware on the goggle itself.

i've had the rx problem forever and what i've done is either wear smaller framed glasses under the mask or just get rx shooting glasses made....oakley has a bunch that come close to full seal like the M frame or the Radar (which is going to be my next pair). you shouldnt have any issues with eyelashes unless your prescription is really strong to the point that they stick in as far as the inserts of other systems. that's really drastic though, considering that the oakley method will have a cut out of sorts in which your rx will fill. so what will actually stick in towards your eyes will be anything beyond the first 3mm thickness of the oakley basic lens. so the rx portion of the glasses will far exceed any standard that a lowly generic 3mm polycarb lens will provide since oakley uses polycarb for all their lenses. being in instanbul, i'm going to assume that you dont have the same lack of nose problem that i do and they should work quite well. there are other models beyond the M frame and Radar but those are the ones that i'm choosing from.

so all this typing really boils down to get a pair of jt's with the rx adaptor and add fans as needed to the top or if you're absolutely against them i'd have to say to have a pair of oakley's (or similar)made. they're pricey but since you're willing to pay 250 just for lenses i dont see a pair of oakley being a huuuuuuuuge issue. you can always get the other lenses cut into new frames for regular use. be warned though, custom prescription oakley's are FAR from cheap. the ones that i currently have are in the $600cdn range and my next pair will price similarly. there are some flucuations depending on what options you want and such but they can be used for pretty much everything that involves sunlight. you can even get them photochromatic for changing lighting conditions. and no i dont work for them ;)...i just love the product.

another tip in the mean time is to keep them REDICULOUSLY clean!!!! dont EVER touch any lens surface with your bare skin or a sweaty shirt or anything like that. use microfiber cleaning stuff/clean tissues (they leave lint though) as much as possible and keep that clean as well. something this simple will help incredibly in reducing the amount of fog you'll suffer from. personally i try to never touch the lens itself and if i do i'll just suffer through the finger print until i can get to my cleaning supplies. annoying in the field i know but it's better than spreading the oils around and having a bigger blind spot on the lens when it fogs.

oh, i also still use the small frame glasses as a back up or if im feeling too lazy to switch back and forth in the safe area to field wear.

i hope this helps some.

Here are some thoughts.

Hm, It seems like the fogging is because of the type of glass RX lenses use, polycarbonate doesn't fog, since it doesn't transfer heat well and doesn't store much heat, think of a steel plate and a wood plate, keep them near your mouth when they are at the room tempeture, the steel will cause water in your breathe to condense and wood won't. So no matter what you rub on it, it will fog up, since it takes heat away from the air, causing the water to condense, applying chemicals on the surface can help to reduce the amount of heat transferred maybe, or just making the surface harder to grab onto by water atoms.
So, It should be as warm as your body, maybe warmer, so the water won't condense.
In theory, heating up the lenses work, actually, i heat them up with a small lighter torch before wearing, and don't get fogging at all, but eventually it will cool down below the body tempeture. I can try heating up the glass a few degrees over the body tempeture, but it wouldn't be so comfortable.
Second idea is to drive moist away from the glass, less % of water in the air means cooler lenses required to condense on, since the water in the air will be more stable.
Goggles do this by opening holes on the goggle to allow air to circulate as you walk or by itself because of heat difference, but when it's not enough, you need a fan.
Bolle t-800 wouldn't have space to install a fan though.
Now i will check if it's possible to use an external air pump to provide air through air pipes, with enough fresh air, it's not necessary to heat up the lenses.
I bought a battery powered backup pump that are used in aquariums, they are really small, and use D type batteries, i will install smaller batteries and maybe use two pumps, since the pumps themselves are small, maybe i take them out.
They aren't loud either, i need a small silencer installed on the pipe (a pipe larger than the pipe and maybe have walls inside it) other than that, the pumps just make a low humming sound, which can be muffed by some foaming, and keeping it inside a bag.

Aquarium pumps are a type of diaphragm pump, it uses energy effectively, and really simple, can have enough pressure to push air through thin pipes, but they don't supply much air (3 liters of air per min, it was written on one of the battery powered pumps)
There are also Radial fans, that are good at pushing air through pipes and such, they are used in air conditioning systems, unlike axial fans (regular cpu fans) which aren't that good at pushing air through pipes.
So using a DC radial fan that is small enough to carry, a larger diameter air pipe, than splitting the air into smaller but four pipes, it's also not that loud when insulated, keep it inside a bag and it should be good.
You would look all futuristic, like an alien that can't breathe in o2, I wonder if there are air hoses in small diameters http://www.jumpingcastles.com/images/air_hose.jpg but are like this, those circles prevent the hose from collapsing.
Yes you can just buy a bigger goggle and install a fan on it, but there are masks that cover up your face and can't be used just because they fog up, an external air supply can solve the problem, and cool down your face.

Also I tried using green gas to circulate air, but it burns your eyes :b
This is also another idea, using a gas like Co2 that aren't bad for your eyes, it can be used to replace the air inside the goggle, also it can be used to suck air from outside with the vacuum (think of air brushes, it sucks the paint out of the container by using a nozzle, the same type of nozzle can be used to suck air out of the goggle) but, you would run out of gas eventually, unless you have a bigger tank, like something 1 liter, or a special composite material tank (carbon fiber) thats 1 liter, and near 300 bars (300 liters of air) now that would last, but expensive, fun though.

hate to break it to you but polycarb lenses do fog. Nice attempt with your analogy though. I have a couple pairs that I have used and they both fog up.

One of the pairs has 4 interchangeable lenses and they all fog up too. (Brown, Dark grey with blue mirror, yellow, and orange)


try this:

http://www.rainx.com/images/antifogg...eaner_main.jpg

Correct, i forgot to mention, Polycarbonate RX lenses fog, protective ones doesn't fog as much as they do, I think it's about the amount of heat they can take away from the air, and this depends on the surface, material, the amount of energy it can store, etc.
Polycarbonate RX lenses (especially thinned ones, lenses need to be dense to do their jobs, if you use denser lens, you can leave it thinner while trying to reflect the same amount of light) are really dense and solid, but protective ones are less dense.
So if you want the polycarbonate to have lens, reflective features, it has to be dense. But if you are not using it as a lens, just a glass, it can be less dense.
These are just my theories, correct me if i'm wrong.

Imo, Anti-fogging chemicals don't do much on RX lenses because their surface is perfected, and usually have coatings to prevent dirt, water from grabbing onto the surface. My anti-fog (OP DROPS) just get rubbed away.

sorry, i didnt notice your prescription strength earlier. being that strong, the oakley option isnt very viable since they limit the maximum strength to about -4 in most frames. though i'm not entirely sure if they have options that will accomodate stronger prescriptions.

there really isnt much else you can do aside from chemical and fans because of the strength of your prescription. you could try applying your antifog to coating free lenses i guess.

You could have ordred some Wiley X googles/glases.

They offer the option to make the protective glass with your prescription.

So you only have 1 set of glass, not two.

This is what I will do when I get 200$ (yes, they only cost 200$ with the RX, frame and shipping). You only have to fill-in your prescription in the order form.

They have a lot of type/shapes of googles/glasses. Personally, I will go with some "Blink" series glasses. They hare very wide to cover field of view, and the frame is thin.

Wiley also mentions the RX lenses won't have anti-fog coating, but because of better ventilation, they might just work, I wonder if they accept astigmatic -7.25. I'm going to check it out, but before that, i have an aquarium pump on the way to my house, i should get it tomorrow, and hopefully it will do the trick.
I might write a tutorial about these if i like the results, since it would be useful while wearing full face masks.

Did the pump ever work?!?

I use WileyX glasses/goggles. The prescription is IN the lenses, no inserts. They work great. Fog a little sometimes but it goes away right away.

Do you order them directly from WileyX or you have to go to a dealer?

I went to a local optical shop that carried Wiley's.

Total cost with frame and prescriptions lenses was about $120 I think. Not bad at all, and my company covered it under my health plan anyway!

I was about to ask the same type of question in the newbe tread. I am new and trying to build up my first ''kit'' including eye/face protection, sorry for the bad english I did use ato-translator for this one...

As someone here has already tried ''oil'' the lenses? They become water repellent and therefore the water molecules could not condense.
I assume it would take an oil with refractive index is similar to that of the lens (around 1.5 for regular glasses, very thin 1.6).

From what I read, the standard csa (for safety glass) is 4 times lower than the standard for ballistic glasses.

I thought using csa glasses with sideshield with a mask on top full wire mesh. Do you guys think it is a good option?

This is a thread for RX inserts for goggles not for making your own goggles

If a field is stupid enough to allow it, your eyes. You only get one pair. But, at least if you lose an eye, you still have one left.

In short, No!

sorry for the wrong thread, thanks for the answer anyways.