Traveling Across Borders for Airsoft.
 

Traveling Across Borders for Airsoft.

Since there is not to much WW2 airsoft related events here in Canada, it means that we have to go across the US border to play. Normally that would be ok, but wait! We got our Airsoft Guns? And the laws are not to clear about them.

Do we go across the borders and say we have them, just to get them confiscated?
Or do we not say nothing, just to have our cars checked and the guns taken away?

It appears we are ‘fudged’ either way. It would be nice to get some details cleared up. Hear of some peoples experiences going across the borders.

You can bring them over the boarder aslong as they have a 1/4" Orange tip on the muzzle, but you will not be able to bring them back into Canada. It doesn't matter if you had them when you left or not.

Go over the border, buy them, play with the guns at the event, then when you're done, find someone you can trust to sell the guns in the states. Once they are sold, whoever sold it should forward you the money. You won't get every penny you spent on buying the gun back, but at least you won't get held up at the Canadian border if you do decide to bring them to Canada.

If you want to play in the US, you'll have to arrange to rent guns there. You can bring all your gear, mags, etc across, but you have to leave your guns at home.

I guess if you have family or friends in the US just buy some guns and leave them there.

Otherwise you're limited to rentals or doing the buying it for a game then selling it after thing.

Excuse me, i don't know much about the subject,
but once i've read somewhere than you can take guns back if they are in pieces, would that work?

Yes but you cannot bring any receivers back across.

In pieces = Smuggling charges since you know what you're doing and willfully took it apart theres more evidence against you.

That being said you can pretty much bring any non restricted piece back. No prohibited parts though (eg. Receiver)

Has anyone ever successfully smuggled their weapon back in?

Probably, just like some people must have not been bum raped after dropping soap in prison.

Want to risk it?

Stay Legal
 

Seeing how this is a very "open" forum that's probably not the best question to pose. Always remember to stay above board and STAY LEGAL unless you want to risk everything. Wouldn't suggest it, try it or condone it.

Find a relative or friend in the US who can keep one on that side of the border for you to use.

Big Red
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O dont worry i wont be going to the US anytime soon, ive never been & i dont really have a reason to go, i was just wondering, but looking back that question probably wasnt the most appropriate

So, I can fairly much bring all of my stuff, Mags, Propane, etc… just not the actual physical gun?

Propane might actually give you a problem. It's cheap and available though. Any hardware store, heck larger pharmacies and even groceries carry it if they have a "Picnic/BBQ" section.

I've been reading the legal bits and have a suggestion.
Only a licensed dealer can import, so what prevents a licensed dealer then from offering a safe return service?

You make the arrangements with the dealer, and pay a small fee... He gives you a claim ticket and a shipping label, perhaps even provides a suitable box.
You come down, have fun, and then ship the airsoft to the dealer using the provided shipping label, he then checks the contents to make sure it's legitimate, signs off on it as such, and returns your gun to you.

That seems clean, and legal, and would probably be something a dealer could make a small amount of money on at the same time, but would be much less costly than a disposable airsoft gun. Who wants to get stuck renting something that's probably been abused to death?

Sorry... I'm only familiar with the loonie politics down here. Up there not so much. Doesn't that sound at lease worth asking after?

Ummmm..... No..... Bad idea.

The way the government and laws work up here is pretty whacked out.

Also the importer can't import the gun unless he also has a BFL which are fucking hard to get. Also they're not going to bother with bringing one airsoft gun across the border.

With the big US game at Fort Drum coming up one local guy, Chef, has been calling around to customs and border crossings. He has been told several times now that if you bring a Cansoft gun down with the clear lower receiver, you can bring it back no problem. Individual customs agents may not know the laws so check with the local border crossing you will be taking, thats the stage we are currently at for the Fort Drum game.

I'm not sure I can find comfort knowing we don't have the market cornered on insane politicians down here. We were planning on selling them all off to the circus after their terms were up...

Wait, can you drive into the states and drive back into Canada with a Airsoft gun?

NO

Basically, getting anything that resembles a real firearm across the Canadian Border is damned near impossible. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be paying $600 for an AEG you guys can get for $250.

Ok.

I suppose that is fairly much what it boils down to with the price difference.

Wait a second, how can you drive back into the States if you are already in the States? Are you referring to Alaska? That still involves leaving the States to drive back in.

You simply fold the U.S in on it's self and create a small wormhole from one point to the other.

That's how i get across the U.S., it also gives me a quick getaway when the in-laws come over.:D

Edited without poor grammar mistake

We asked GWB on his way out, exactly how that wormhole worked...

Something to do with Nukaler energy and bending reason into a Boyes Spatial Manifold... His answer was not so much a highly classified matter of national security as unintelligible.
I'm afraid that technology has been lost forever as the "Leader of the Free World" has headed back to Yale with his buddy Cheney. One to teach Advanced Oratory, and the other to teach Ethics and coach the sporting clays team.

We have some folks at MIT working on a new technology that involves knocking politely at the door... Preliminary tests look promising.

Anyway... Having done a bit more reading on the situation, I think that the best legal solution is to make a livery of high quality airsoft arms available for events in the US and work out the details of how they can be made available to Canadian players who want to attend US events. I'm talking it over with my partner.

I think they tried something like that once with a ship called "Event Horizon". It didn't work out too well for them.

hey wait, i just thought about something.

The term replica (which is the tricky strange term used to define airsoft as 'illegal) is something like this....

A “replica firearm” is a device that was designed and intended to look exactly like or almost exactly like a real firearm (except for an antique firearm) but isn’t a real firearm. Most Replicas cannot discharge projectiles at all, or discharge only harmless projectiles. Devices that discharge projectiles that cause serious bodily injury are not Replicas...

Does this not mean it is completely legal to import broomhandle mausers!? they were built in 1895!!

luger p08s
the 1911 will be in apprx 2 years
many different revolvers

wow

Hmm..

EDIT: btw, that definition was taken from the mr. wong vs regina court case.

Only musket type replica firearms are completely legal to import, that's what they mean by 'antique'

typically the government (especially in a court case)don't use "thats what we mean" definitions.

'antique: The US government considers any item over 100 years old to be an antique, whereas most collectors use 50 years as a benchmark.'

regardless of style I believe a broomhandle mauser fits the defenition of antique. INFACT, other definitions are more lax... saying an antique is something old, and can be covetted for its craftsmanship.

This isn't the US.

So, no Mauser broomhandles.

ok go order one and see what happens then...

im not going to.

jesus you guys are touchy.

Im not a smuggle guy im just quoting a damn judge, it will be alright!:confused:

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

Was the broomhandle modified to fire any of the above? My research tells me no...

Cartridge
7.63x25mm Mauser
9x19mm Parabellum
9 mm Mauser Export (rare)
.45 ACP (China)

BUILT IN 1896.

this, my friend, is before 1898

You're quoting irrelevant (and uncited) case law in a way that's misleading. It sounds like you're suggesting broomhandles are antiques, therefore ok to import. They are not.

Those are ALL centre-fire ammunition.

BTW, the picture currently in your signature is too big. Please scale it down according to forum limits:

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You know what all your "facts" add up to?

A nice piece of paper with the words "Seizure Notice" on it, and 3 options for how you would like your nice new "antique" gun disposed of

So go ahead...you want to be wrong and strong, order the gun and see what happens.

like you said, those are all centre-fire. You've got it right! thats what I'm saying!

Sorry, before i forgot to include the prefix of what i said before.

you need to take a step back. Never did i say im heading down to the states to smuggle these across. I merely posted this in a relivant thread for some food for though. Just take it easy please. I dont think im sort of revolutionary loop holer

the point is that, regardless of whether you or I believe that a Broomhandle Mauser is an antique, the CBSA (the people who matter) do not classify it as such and therefore any attempts to import such a gun in Airsoft form will end in seizure.

so you know what, don't try to smuggle it, there would be no need to smuggle it as it isn't prohibited correct?