IR Lasers & DBAL's at games.

[Colin_S]

Hmm on second though I don't think I'm going to add more fuel to the fire...

Others covered what I said in a more elegant manner.

[Danke]

I don't think there's any debate about a proper laser being safe. They're used in the military for training and for those outside the military it all seems like shooting guns and jumping out of helicopters in reality you have never met a more risk adverse group of people other than maybe your mom.

I think the fair debate sits on the safe rated laser vs. the glut of fake PEQ boxes and scabbed on home made jobs.

We have age verified tags on here and in some cases you can't get invited to a game unless you have one. Why not a Laser rating? It sounds like there a people with test kit on here. Ship the box to a verifier, get it back with a non-transferable card a tag for your profile. Sure it will cost the users a bit but compared to the price of buy for the unit and the NODs it's probably about a set of batteries.

That would he a standard that would help the hosts and they would not have to worry about if someone was going to be injured at their event.

[c3sk]

I've been toying with the idea of posting up an official breakdown of laser devices used in our community, this concept actually came about from some of the veteran hosts on this site, so that they could better understand the technology being used by players on the field.

In addition to this, it would be quite easy to maintain a list of known users of said devices, kinda like Shado's sniper clinic list. Completely voluntary.. but it would give hosts and other players a general lay of the land as to who is deploying what.

[Danke]

That list would help the new guys when they're ready to buy in too.

[Gato]

Originally Posted by bean

Gato you sound a bit butt hurt that your commissionaire job isn't working out for you and making you rich while some people have money they can spend on their leisure activities.

I have this odd feeling if the foot was on the other shoe you wouldn't be saying that.

Just like any sport some people have a bit more money to spend on it then others whether it be racing, golf, paintball or shooting. Some people are most defintly not responsible with their money and own 15k worth of gear and have no other assets like a house or car. To each their own but you sound like the kid who got gobots instead of transformers for christmas.

Gobots is boss and, I already have the toys I want/need, I have had since before last June, they simply don't come out to games as that's not what I wanted them for. I'd prefer to not remove the fun for the opposing team or players without NV or lasers.

you telling me transformers is cooler than this?

[Brian McIlmoyle]

As a game host, I have in mind the safety of players

with the proliferation of NVG and Laser tech in games it does raise concerns

the simplest solution is to drop a blanket ban on lasers, this eliminates the problem.

That said, as more and more games move into night time playing, and more people investing int he equipment to exploit that environment as a host you want to build a sandbox that can fit everyone's toys.

My simple solution is. if you intend to use a laser you must prove it's class 1 status, no proof no use.

As a Player, if I don't like what is happening at any particular game I don't go in the first place or I leave when the issue comes up.

The issues with respect to Game balance and the exploitation of technology in the games is of particular concern for me. I've done "low tech" games that excluded all tech, including radios and Flashlights.. I have also done games that were tech heavy.

It's up to the host to take into account the game balance and see to it that advantages of tech are offset with other elements. It's not easy, and is going to get harder as the Tech proliferates.

Right now in the southern Ontario region the issue is particularly acute as a great deal of high tech devices seem to be consolidated in the hands of certain tight groups.

Savvy game hosts have the means and ways to address these issues that can meet the needs of everyone.

[Kimbo]

Just measure peoples lasers the same way we chrono their guns.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FREE-SHIPPING...ht_2116wt_1397

[z0ng]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Just measure peoples lasers the same way we chrono their guns.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FREE-SHIPPING...ht_2116wt_1397

Unfortunately it's not a good solution. That device measures from 1mW and upwards in 1mW increments whereas the limit for IR lasers is 0.7mW so not really an ideal measurement device. Lasers start to become unsafe before it will even register a reading.

Also this system operates by sensing temperature so the accuracy of its output will be affected if you run it on a cold vs warm day.

[Kimbo]

Yes, but it will let you know if a laser is over the field limit.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Yes, but it will let you know if a laser is over the field limit.

If i'm not mistaken your argument is invalid. Unless you take the inverse logic. anything that measure over 1mW stays off field. however you end up having a band 0.71-0.99999 mw which is about 50% more powerful than the "eye safe" limit able to be on field.

Originally Posted by z0ng

Unfortunately it's not a good solution. That device measures from 1mW and upwards in 1mW increments whereas the limit for IR lasers is 0.7mW so not really an ideal measurement device. Lasers start to become unsafe before it will even register a reading.

Also this system operates by sensing temperature so the accuracy of its output will be affected if you run it on a cold vs warm day.

[shinigami]

It's an interesting read. Seems like everyone is arguing in circles. What are the facts? If someone is running an IR lase (real or fake), how can I protect my eyes?


Also I think if a game host says no lasers than that should be honored.

[ShelledPants]

Originally Posted by shinigami

It's an interesting read. Seems like everyone is arguing in circles. What are the facts? If someone is running an IR lase (real or fake), how can I protect my eyes?


Also I think if a game host says no lasers than that should be honored.

Real Class 1 Lasers with FDA documentation cannot damage your eyes. These are the only lasers that should be allowed on airsoft fields. There is no reason for you to have to protect your eyes.

In my opinion, anyone running undocumented lasers or high power lasers is being criminally negligent.

I have posted a couple of write ups on this. So has a number of other people in this thread.

[mmmken]

Originally Posted by shinigami

It's an interesting read. Seems like everyone is arguing in circles. What are the facts? If someone is running an IR lase (real or fake), how can I protect my eyes?


Also I think if a game host says no lasers than that should be honored.

If you're actually really worried regardless of the fact that most lasers will be indeed safe out there, I brought up the existence of laser safe goggles previously in this thread. I can't point you in any direction, since they are pretty rare and probably ITAR controlled, but I have a pair of Oakley SI Ballistic Array goggles with three lenses. One of the three is a yellow lens, that I just recently realised was for laser protection.

You can find these goggles for around $150-200+, but I'm not sure where you can get them aside from eBay.

[c3sk]

Originally Posted by mmmken

If you're actually really worried regardless of the fact that most lasers will be indeed safe out there, I brought up the existence of laser safe goggles previously in this thread. I can't point you in any direction, since they are pretty rare and probably ITAR controlled, but I have a pair of Oakley SI Ballistic Array goggles with three lenses. One of the three is a yellow lens, that I just recently realised was for laser protection.

You can find these goggles for around $150-200+, but I'm not sure where you can get them aside from eBay.

I heard that Oakley Juliets will also stop laser beams. D:

Source:

[mmmken]

Class 3A and chinese repro lasers ain't got jack on Cyclops. I'm sold!